Before
THE TOBYHANNA TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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In Re: Regular Business Meeting
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Tobyhanna Township Government Center Building
State Avenue
Pocono Pines, Pennsylvania 18350
Monday, June 11, 2007, beginning at 7 p.m.
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PRESENT:JOHN E. KERRICK, Chairperson
HEIDI A. PICKARD, Vice-Chairperson
ANNE SINCAVAGE, Board Member
JAMES B. KEENER, Board Member
EMANUEL KAPELSOHN, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
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Panko Reporting
537 Sarah Street, 2nd Floor
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 18360
(570) 421-3620
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1 MR. KERRICK: Call the meeting
2 to order. I'd like to welcome everyone here this
3 evening. First item on our agenda is consider the
4 minutes of April 2nd, 2007, regular business
5 meeting.
6 MS. PICKARD: Motion to approve.
7 MS. SINCAVAGE: Second the
8 motion.
9 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
10 Any questions or comments from the board?
11 Questions or comments from the public on the
12 motion?
13 MS. SNELL: Sue Snell. On page
14 40, I believe that Mr. Heino Fette was speaking
15 regarding the enhanced 911, 40 and it goes on to
16 41. It says Herman in the minutes. I believe it's
17 Heino.
18 MR. KERRICK: Thank you. Any
19 other corrections or comments?
20 MS. PICKARD: I'll amend my
21 motion to include the correction.
22 MS. SINCAVAGE: Second.
23 MR. KERRICK: Call the vote.
24 Anne?
25 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
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1 MR. KERRICK: Jamie?
2 MR. KEENER: I abstain.
3 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
4 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
5 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
6 Motion carried.
7 Next on our agenda. Pay our
8 current obligations dated June 11, 2007. The
9 total amount for board approval is $149,185.39.
10 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion we
11 approve the bill packet dated June 11, 2007 in the
12 amount of $149,185.39.
13 MS. SINCAVAGE: Second.
14 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
15 Any questions or comments from
16 the board? Questions or comments from the public
17 on the motion?
18 Call the vote. Anne?
19 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
20 MR. KERRICK: Jamie?
21 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
22 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
23 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
24 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
25 Motion carried.
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1 Solicitor's report.
2 MR. KAPELSOHN: Nothing at this
3 time.
4 MR. KERRICK: First item on our
5 agenda for new business, Pinecrest Phase 1C, letter
6 of credit reduction. Anyone here representing
7 Pinecrest? We'll hold that one. Maybe somebody
8 will come.
9 Next on our agenda, Greenwood
10 Acres Sanitary Sewer Main Extension, letter of
11 credit reduction. Anyone here representing
12 Greenwood Acres?
13 How about Keswick Pointe?
14 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: We are
15 here.
16 MR. KERRICK: Keswick Pointe
17 PRD, Phase 1. You have the floor.
18 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: We have
19 basically reviewed our current list of to dos and
20 have basically, I think, as you know, met all the
21 conditions of the planning commission and we are
22 here now. I believe that items 1, 11, 20 and 24
23 and 33 are all in the capable hands of your
24 solicitor. I believe that he and I have gone
25 around on three of those items related to the
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1 protective covenants. I took his input from the
2 last meeting; resent it with changes and a couple
3 of paragraphs that I had changed in there to do
4 with some of the changes relative to central water
5 and sewer.
6 I think the only open item, and
7 I don't know where we are in progress with that, is
8 comment number 20 and that is the draft maintenance
9 agreement. I believe that Bob McHale was working
10 in conjunction --
11 MR. KAPELSOHN: Developer's
12 agreement.
13 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Developer's
14 agreement.
15 MR. KAPELSOHN: I have just got
16 a message from him today that he's got a draft
17 ready to get back to me. The ball had been in his
18 court. So we are moving along on it. We expect to
19 have it soon.
20 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: And I know
21 that there is a number of things that we kind of
22 gathered along the way and set aside to be
23 incorporated into the agreement, so I assume that
24 you were content with what I sent back, the
25 corrections --
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1 MR. KAPELSOHN: I have to tell
2 you I haven't finished looking at them yet, but I
3 will get that done shortly. I have been out of the
4 office most of the last two weeks on various
5 things.
6 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Okay. I
7 would really like to get that accomplished.
8 Likewise, I resent a copy of the memo of
9 understanding on Maple Road that was drafted
10 between myself and Mark Sincavage as to what our
11 memo of understanding was, as far as we could at
12 least advance it to the satisfaction of the
13 township, you know, pending bidding and so forth
14 for services, but I think that that letter pretty
15 much outlined everything as we understood it to be
16 and a copy of that was likewise sent to you for
17 review.
18 MR. KAPELSOHN: I did receive
19 it. I have not finished reviewing it yet.
20 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: You've not
21 reviewed that either? Okay.
22 That leaves us to other items
23 which are of significance. Items 3, 12, 15, 19, 30
24 and 36. I'll go through those one at a time.
25 MR. KERRICK: Three, 12, 15, I'm
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1 sorry, 19?
2 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Three, 12,
3 15, 19, 30 and 36. Several of these, three, 12 and
4 36, all relate to our public water supply permit
5 which has all been satisfactorily submitted and
6 received by DEP, including our business plan which
7 was under preliminary review. They wanted us to
8 expand that. I believe everything has been
9 completed for the DEP, the water supply. So that's
10 actively being reviewed.
11 With regard to Item 15, it has
12 to do with our HOP and the plans there. It's been
13 reviewed and it's going to be resubmitted. There
14 is, I think, a couple of items. Would you like to
15 elaborate on that?
16 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: Yes. I don't
17 have the list of comments with me, but there were
18 some concerns from the department of
19 transportation, just some things they wanted to see
20 revised and or clarified and we are just going
21 through the process of answering those comments and
22 resubmitting.
23 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: There was
24 one other item that I had made a note of and that
25 was a comment from the township engineer to
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1 PennDOT. Unfortunately, it was a negative comment,
2 in my view, in that the phraseology was he would
3 hope they wouldn't issue a permit until such time
4 as we deposit our fair share to the township. And
5 I just hope that it didn't hold up their review
6 because of that comment. They were looking for
7 favorable review from the township and that was one
8 part that I felt was negatively presented,
9 especially in view of the fact that on several
10 occasions I not only met to determine what that
11 was -- our original calculations came out to $8,000
12 and we rounded it up to 10 thousand. Upon Bob's
13 review and his numbers, we got up to 20 thousand.
14 So I said fine and I agreed to supply the 20
15 thousand. As a matter of fact, I'm transferring
16 that to the township probably by tomorrow. If you
17 read my correspondence I added that to the EDU
18 amount to not only make it a round number but --
19 and I think our bank was having a little bit of a
20 struggle with the township to ask to transfer all
21 the funds. And we recommended making two transfers
22 in two different accounts, one for the sewer and
23 one for the general or escrow account, where ever
24 you keep the fair share of funds. It could be in
25 your general account just marked as a fund balance
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1 for that purpose, if you have a separate escrow for
2 those kinds things. I didn't know. It didn't seem
3 like it should be with the sewer funds. So we
4 recommended two transfers. It could be
5 simultaneous, but isolate the amounts totalling 700
6 thousand. But with that, I'm hoping we can have a
7 positive comment to PennDOT so that they don't hold
8 up our review of the permitting.
9 And I guess the biggest one
10 that's still open, obviously, is our NPDES permit
11 which is -- currently we, this past week, did test
12 pits. And soil testing will be provided to them to
13 augment that submittal.
14 Was there anything else besides
15 that?
16 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: The NPDES, we
17 are doing the soil testing to do a sort of an
18 addendum to our previous submission that they
19 require under the new regulations, just to
20 supplement our previous.
21 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: So at this
22 point, other than the draft maintenance agreement
23 which I have not seen as of yet, the solicitor's
24 favorable review of things he sent me that I sent
25 back to him and the outside permits, I think we've
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1 done all that we can do to date. And, likewise, we
2 are transferring the funds for the EDU's. A letter
3 of clarification that I received this week that
4 finally precipitated my ability to generate the
5 funds, was received by your solicitor. I had asked
6 the question a while back, if we were to advance
7 these funds, you know, in advance of approval, if
8 something happens in the interim, would the
9 township re-buy the EDU's. Of course I had a
10 favorable response that you would and I'm assuming
11 from reading the letter, there would be a full
12 value. So with that, we did contact our bank upon
13 sending you this letter and all that is in the
14 works and may be transferred by tomorrow. The
15 problem is it's coming from several banks and being
16 coordinated by my lead bank. That's the status on
17 that.
18 Any questions for me at this
19 time? Would someone like to articulate to me at
20 what point you generally approve projects?
21 MR. KERRICK: I would say HOP is
22 an outside agency so that shouldn't come into play.
23 I would say that the developer's agreement, as soon
24 as that gets completed, which hopefully that gets
25 completed by the end of the week.
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1 MR. KAPELSOHN: He submitted it.
2 I just have to review it.
3 May I ask a question. You
4 submitted a letter of intent or letter of
5 understanding between yourself and Mark Sincavage
6 on that?
7 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Yes.
8 MR. KAPELSOHN: Is it your
9 intention that that be then embodied in a formal
10 agreement or that the letter of intent be
11 sufficient?
12 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I think if
13 you read the letter, you will find it does both.
14 That's my opinion. It's about as legalese as I
15 feel I could make it without putting a lot of extra
16 bells and whistles on it. I think it really goes
17 to intent. And it is an agreement.
18 MR. KAPELSOHN: Thank you.
19 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: We need an
20 agreement between ourselves for our own benefit as
21 well as for the township because of how it's going
22 to be operated for both developments. So I think
23 it mirrors all discussions we've had to date. The
24 only thing I couldn't get my hands around, in
25 fairness, until it's all done, it's hard for Mark
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1 and I to contract for services until we see what it
2 is exactly I'm asking him to do. And it probably
3 will not be just one menu item, there may be
4 several things that we ask, like snow removal,
5 besides just that little segment. So I'd rather
6 have the dinner price than the ala carte. It's
7 hard to get that in the middle of the summer, the
8 price for that that far ahead. There probably
9 would be some other things that he would be
10 providing services for in addition. And that's
11 addressed in the agreement.
12 So upon the acceptance of a
13 developer's agreement, per se, you would approve
14 subject to outside agency, is that what I'm
15 hearing? Because we are down to that. It's
16 unfortunate that Mr. Kapelsohn has been busy and
17 didn't get to that, but I think a lot of it is --
18 and Bob has quite a bit to weave in because of all
19 these loose ends we kind of shoved over into that
20 basket. I think there is probably four or five
21 items that aren't being addressed by that. So that
22 developer's agreement will probably be a little
23 more detailed as well. Updating the cost, that
24 will be part of that agreement.
25 Any other questions for me?
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1 Based on that, Mr. Kapelsohn has given me an
2 extension because I believe our wick burns out on
3 July 1st, so we won't have an opportunity for
4 another meeting, without that.
5 MR. KAPELSOHN: Is that
6 acceptable to you?
7 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I guess it
8 has to be or I go back to square one. Yes.
9 If there is no other questions,
10 that's all I have to say.
11 MR. KERRICK: I have no
12 questions.
13 MS. PICKARD: Are we just
14 extending it to the next meeting?
15 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I'll sign
16 that while we are here. This extends it to
17 September, just in case. I'd like to get some work
18 done while the sun is shining.
19 MR. KEENER: If you can go
20 through again what it is you feel -- we have a
21 March 30th letter, I guess is the latest -- the
22 items again that are outstanding?
23 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: We had
24 communicated -- Casey, do you have your memo with
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1 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: Yes.
2 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Casey
3 responded via email to Bob. I just gave you a
4 digest. If you go through it.
5 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: Okay. There
6 is a number of items that have been submitted or
7 resubmitted to the solicitor for review. Those are
8 comment number 1, number 11 -- you want me to go
9 through what they are?
10 MR. KEENER: No, just the ones
11 remaining to be addressed. I think you went
12 through 3, 12, 15,19.
13 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: Thirty and
14 36. They were all outside agencies.
15 MR. KERRICK: Three, 12, 15, 19,
16 30 and 36.
17 MR. KEENER: All right. That's
18 fine.
19 MR. CASEY CAWLEY: Okay.
20 MR. KERRICK: Any other
21 questions for Mr. Hannig. We should be able to put
22 him on the agenda for July.
23 MR. KAPELSOHN: I would think
24 so. I understand from you all tonight that Bob
25 McHale has the developer's agreement ready for me
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2 MS. PICKARD: I think he sent
3 it.
4 MR. KERRICK: I think he emailed
5 it to you today.
6 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: As soon as
7 you can get that to me, we'll go back and forth
8 maybe once or twice so we can be ready for the next
9 meeting. I certainly appreciate that if it's
10 possible.
11 MR. KERRICK: Thank you, Mr.
12 Hannig.
13 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Thank you.
14 MR. KERRICK: Go back to
15 Pinecrest, Phase 1C, letter of credit reduction.
16 Item A in your packet. They are requesting a
17 reduction by $31,680.
18 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion
19 that we approve the Reduction Credit No. 5 in the
20 amount of $31,680, Pinecrest Lake, LLC.
21 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
22 motion.
23 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
24 Any questions or comments from the board?
25 Questions or comments from the
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1 public on the motion?
2 Call the vote. Anne?
3 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
4 MR. KERRICK: Jamie?
5 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
6 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
7 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: Motion carried.
9 Next on our agenda, Greenwood
10 Acres Sanitary Sewer Main Extension, Proposed
11 Letter of Credit Reduction, Item B in your packet.
12 I have questions for you, Manny,
13 on the letter of credit. You have to extend that.
14 Can we work that into our motion?
15 Basically they are asking a
16 letter of credit be reduced to $171,320.00, reduced
17 to $34,264.00. That would be 20 percent for 18
18 months. So when you make your motion, their letter
19 of credit runs out or expires June 23rd. Our
20 engineer would like it extended to December 23rd,
21 2008. That would be 18 months. If you could craft
22 that into a motion.
23 MR. KAPELSOHN: Condition the
24 reduction and the letter of credit amount to it
25 being extended to that date.
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1 MS. PICKARD: Okay. I'll make a
2 motion that we reduce the letter of credit from
3 Greenwood Crest at Greenwood Acres, Matzel
4 Development Sanitary Sewer Extension, and the
5 reduction would be from $171,320.00 to $34,264.00
6 based on the extension of the letter to expire not
7 before December 23rd, 2008.
8 MR. KERRICK: Is that
9 satisfactory?
10 MR. KAPELSOHN: Sounds good.
11 MR. KERRICK: Motion on the
12 floor. Do we have a second?
13 MR. KEENER: I'll second it.
14 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
15 Any questions or comments from the board on the
16 motion?
17 MR. KEENER: Just a question.
18 On page 1 it talks about 15 percent for 18 months
19 for the maintenance bond. That amount being held
20 is not the maintenance bond but the letter of
21 credit, correct? Until such time as --
22 MR. KERRICK: The 5 percent is
23 for the as-builts. They have not been submitted.
24 I believe that's on the top of page 3.
25 MR. KEENER: Okay.
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1 MR. KERRICK: That would be the
2 maintenance bond.
3 Any other questions from the
4 board? Questions or comments from the public on
5 the motion?
6 Call the vote. Anne?
7 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: Jamie?
9 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
10 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
11 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
12 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
13 Motion carried.
14 Do you have anything?
15 MR. KAPELSOHN: No.
16 MR. KERRICK: You have some
17 announcements.
18 MS. PICKARD: I have some
19 announcements. The Township of Tobyhanna Board of
20 Supervisors is currently accepting resumes or
21 letters of interest for residents interested in
22 serving on the planning commission for the
23 township. The planning commission meetings are on
24 the first Thursday of each month at 7 p.m. and
25 letters and resumes are being accepted through
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1 Wednesday, June 27th, 2007 until 3 p.m. here at the
2 Government Center.
3 I had a note here about the July
4 2nd work session. We are still having our July
5 work session at 10 a.m.?
6 MR. KERRICK: Unless you want to
7 change it. That's fine with me. July 2nd, 10 a.m.
8 MS. PICKARD: I also want to
9 announce that July 14th from 3 to 9 is our
10 community day here at the park.
11 And we have pool registration
12 dates that are still available, Monday June 18th,
13 from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m.; Friday June 22nd, 10 a.m.
14 to 7 p.m.; Saturday, July 23rd, from 9 a.m. until
15 noon; and Friday, June 29, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. And
16 if you cannot make these dates, there will be a
17 five dollar per person charge. And you must show
18 proof of residency which would be a tax bill, lease
19 agreement or PP&L bills with the physical address.
20 And each family member needs to have a photo ID.
21 Family rates are 50 dollars. Daily rates, to 12,
22 it would be a dollar per diem; age 16, 2 dollars;
23 and 17 to adults 3 dollars. We are also having
24 swim program sign-ups. You can register from 8 to
25 4:30 up here at the Government Center. They are
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1 six weeks. There will be a skilled assessment
2 class on Tuesday, June 19th at 9:30 a.m. Sessions
3 will run from June 21st to August 2nd, Tuesdays and
4 Thursdays from 9 to 10:30, depending on the class.
5 The beginners will be at 9, the intermediate at
6 9:30 and the sport development at 10. And the
7 classes run 30 dollars for the six-week session.
8 Registration, first come first serve. Proof of
9 residency required.
10 MR. KERRICK: Thank you. Anyone
11 else from the board? Anyone from the public have
12 anything?
13 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I just want
14 to submit this and maybe you could alter your
15 record under Keswick. This is the extension that
16 you've asked for which is a waiver of procedural
17 time requirements. It's been amended to, as of
18 this date, to the 9th day of September. If
19 somebody could fax me a copy.
20 MR. KAPELSOHN: That's fine.
21 MR. KERRICK: Anyone else from
22 the public? Mr. Martin.
23 MR. MARTIN: I was wondering if
24 Mr. Hannig's hydrologist has done any more testing
25 on any other wells surrounding the development on
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1 the impact of the surrounding wells?
2 MR. KERRICK: I can't answer.
3 Do you have anybody that can answer that?
4 MR. MARTIN: I understand you
5 only tested one well.
6 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: We
7 submitted several wells that we tested in
8 conjunction with our commercial well, because we
9 are no longer putting on-site wells. We are having
10 central water.
11 MR. MARTIN: I know that. The
12 central water is going to be drawing somewhere in
13 the neighborhood of like more than a million
14 gallons a month out of the water table and I'm
15 wondering what kind of affect that will have on the
16 surrounding wells.
17 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I have to
18 read the report to give you the answer. I'm not
19 sure if that number is correct or not.
20 MR. MARTIN: Well, if you count
21 your EDU's times the amount of --
22 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Probably
23 all of that is in the reports.
24 MR. MARTIN: I think it's 1.2
25 million gallons a month.
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1 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: I think the
2 short answer to your question is, no, we'll not
3 affect the surrounding wells or we would have had
4 to obviously mitigate that problem. The water
5 table that we are in is probably closer to 300 feet
6 deep and most of the aquifers in your area that
7 people are in, are pretty much shallow wells. Some
8 of them are even 100 foot deep from the records
9 that we have and my memory of it.
10 MR. MARTIN: The wells in my
11 development go up to 300 feet.
12 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: Yours is a
13 little different purpose. But other residences
14 around that area, they are pretty shallow. The
15 amount of water that we had available in the
16 aquifer, which would be the same one you should be
17 in if it's 300 feet deep, was double what was
18 required for the development. So I don't really
19 believe that it's going to affect your well
20 particularly. The others, I think, unfortunately,
21 most of those people are drawing from each other in
22 the shallow aquifers, based on our geologist. But,
23 again, the short answer is no, we are not going to
24 affect by our draw down, even after a prolonged
25 test of our commercial well, which was drawing over
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1 100 gallons a minute. It was almost an
2 insignificant amount of water they were pulling for
3 several days. Do you have copies of those that are
4 available?
5 MR. KERRICK: Not right now.
6 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: If somebody
7 wanted to come in --
8 MR. KERRICK: Yes. You can come
9 in and look at anything.
10 MR. MARTIN: Are you going to
11 make any like guarantees, like if people's wells
12 start going dry, any deposits made against any
13 impacts?
14 MR. CHARLES HANNIG: No, I don't
15 believe so, because we've already done I think
16 significant studies that show that that will not
17 occur. And there is so many variables, that
18 entering into something like that would be not a
19 wise choice for me, because there is too many
20 reasons people can say they don't have water and
21 come point at me. I have done the studies. I have
22 hired the proper people that have the background
23 and knowledge of these things far beyond my own. I
24 think we've exhausted the study not once but twice,
25 once when we were going to do onsite wells and then
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1 we went in favor of commercial and putting in over
2 a three million dollar water system so that we
3 could have fire flow to our residences. So I think
4 we've done things as responsibly as anyone could
5 do. I can assure you, these folks have made sure
6 that I have done that and so has the engineer on
7 behalf of the township.
8 MR. MARTIN: This question is
9 for the board. When Pocono Manor was being
10 proposed, there was a guarantee that he had to
11 deposit like $100,000 against impact to surrounding
12 wells. I'm wondering why the board is not
13 considering adding this. Like you were going to
14 make them put 100 thousand dollars in the bank
15 against impact of anybody's wells going dry. That
16 was conditioned on giving him a permit at the time
17 before they shot his license down.
18 MR. KERRICK: I don't recall
19 that. I don't want to comment because I don't
20 recall that.
21 MR. MARTIN: You'd have to go
22 back -- I think it was the December 18th meeting.
23 You might want to look at the minutes there.
24 Somebody in the audience made that comment. I
25 believe Mr. Kapelsohn, you're the one who said
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1 there is $100,000 on deposit against the impact.
2 MR. KAPELSOHN: I've got to say
3 I don't remember.
4 MR. MARTIN: You're a busy guy.
5 You probably don't remember what you said
6 yesterday.
7 MR. KAPELSOHN: I hope I
8 remember what I said yesterday.
9 MR. MARTIN: Then you also made
10 a comment that if more is needed, more would be put
11 in there.
12 MR. KAPELSOHN: I don't remember
13 any of that, sir. And I hope not to attribute that
14 to Alzheimer's or memory lapses. I don't think
15 that that occurred. December 18th of this year?
16 MR. MARTIN: Yes. Of 2006.
17 Monday, December 18th, special
18 business meeting. I believe it was made at that
19 time. I was sitting here when that comment was
20 made.
21 One other thing. What is the
22 status with the Department of Environmental
23 Protection and the sewers concerning this project?
24 Like are they guaranteed connection to the sewer,
25 the Blakeslee system?
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1 MR. KERRICK: Yes.
2 MR. MARTIN: DEP agreed with
3 that?
4 MR. KERRICK: Yes.
5 MR. MARTIN: That's all I got.
6 MR. KERRICK: Thank you, Mr.
7 Martin.
8 Anyone else have anything for
9 the board? Mr. Schurr? No one? We are adjourned.
10 Thank you for coming.
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