Before
THE TOBYHANNA TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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In Re: Regular Business Meeting
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Tobyhanna Township Government Center Building
State Avenue
Pocono Pines, Pennsylvania 18350
Monday, April 2, 2007 beginning at 10:40 a.m.
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PRESENT: JOHN E. KERRICK, Chairperson
HEIDI A. PICKARD, Vice-Chairperson
ANNE SINCAVAGE, Board Member
EMANUEL KAPELSOHN, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
ALSO PRESENT: PHYLLIS HAASE, Zoning Officer
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PANKO REPORTING
537 Sarah Street, 2nd Floor
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 18360
(570) 421-3620
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1 MR. KERRICK: Call the meeting to
2 order with the Pledge of Allegiance.
3 (Pledge of Allegiance was
4 recited.)
5 MR. KERRICK: First item of
6 business I'd like to announce, executive session
7 held 3/19 from 3:15 to 5:15 p.m. and 3/29 from
8 3:15 to 5:15 on personnel issues.
9 First item, consider the minutes
10 of February 12, 2007, regular business meeting.
11 MS. PICKARD: Motion to approve
12 the February 12, 2007 minutes.
13 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
14 motion.
15 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second on
16 the floor.
17 Any questions from the board?
18 Questions or comments from the
19 public on the motion?
20 Call the vote.
21 Anne?
22 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
23 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
24 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
25 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
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1 Motion carried.
2 Next on our agenda, consider the
3 treasurer's report dated April 2, 2007, total
4 amount for board approval $545,530.32.
5 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion we
6 approve the April 2 bill pack in the amount of
7 $545,530.32.
8 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
9 motion.
10 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second on
11 the floor.
12 Any questions or discussion from
13 the board on the motion?
14 Questions from the public on the
15 motion?
16 Call the vote.
17 Anne?
18 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
19 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
20 MS. PICKARD: I'll vote in favor.
21 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
22 Motion carried.
23 Next item on our agenda,
24 solicitor's report.
25 MR. KAPELSOHN: Nothing at this
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1 time.
2 MR. KERRICK: That was short.
3 Under new business, sewer tapping fee Ordinance
4 No. 459.
5 Would you care to give us a short
6 synopsis of your report?
7 MR. EDWARD PIETROSKI: Yes. We --
8 THE REPORTER: Please state your
9 name.
10 MR. KERRICK: I'm sorry. It's --
11 MR. EDWARD PIETROSKI: Edward
12 Pietroski. I'm an engineer with Entech
13 Engineering. P-i-e-t-r-o-s-k-i. We were
14 authorized by the supervisors to prepare a
15 calculation of the tapping fees for the sewer
16 system in accordance with Pennsylvania Act 57 of
17 2003.
18 That act is a new law adopted by
19 the legislature in Pennsylvania to regulate how
20 tapping fees for sanitary sewer systems, which
21 are owned and operated by municipalities, how
22 those fees are calculated. There is a specific
23 set of rules and regulations which states how
24 capital costs and any grants or funding of that
25 sort is to be computed in the cost, how the
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1 capacity of the system is to be developed in
2 terms of, you know, users and water use. And
3 you go through that formula and you develop a
4 fee for each new equivalent dwelling unit which
5 is connected to the system.
6 The law mandated that all existing
7 tapping fees had to be recalculated, according
8 to the new law which took effect in 2005. So
9 that is primarily why it was done, to be in
10 compliance with the law.
11 We developed a new tapping fee
12 which allows for a tapping fee for new
13 connections of up to $5,815.79 per EDU. That
14 fee is split into two portions. It is broken
15 down into a capacity fee, which is the cost
16 related to the treatment facilities, which is
17 $1,217.73. And the portion of the fee which is
18 for all the connection line, pump stations, and
19 that fee is $4,598.06.
20 There are other components of the
21 tapping fee law which relate to the actual
22 construction of the sewer from any main to a
23 property line, which is called a connection fee;
24 and any fee -- any cost of the facilities from
25 the property line to a house, and that is called
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1 a customer facilities fee.
2 The law allows for those fees to
3 be charged based on actual cost per each
4 connection and they're to be charged back to the
5 person doing the connection. They are not --
6 those costs, for whatever the cost of the
7 facility is from the sewer main to the house,
8 are not included in this tapping fee as stated
9 by law.
10 So that's pretty much it in a
11 nutshell, and if there's any questions, I'd be
12 glad to answer them.
13 MR. KERRICK: The gentleman that
14 we had last meeting that had all the questions
15 is not here today, but we'll try to get the
16 answers to him.
17 MR. EDWARD PIETROSKI: That's
18 fine. That's not a problem.
19 MR. KERRICK: I appreciate you
20 coming.
21 MR. EDWARD PIETROSKI: All right.
22 Very good.
23 MR. KERRICK: Anyone have any
24 questions?
25 Thank you.
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1 MR. EDWARD PIETROSKI: You're
2 welcome.
3 MR. KERRICK: What's the board's
4 pleasure?
5 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll make a motion
6 we table the sewer tapping fee ordinance No.
7 459.
8 MS. PICKARD: I'll second.
9 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second on
10 the floor to table at this time.
11 Any discussion?
12 Questions or comments from the
13 public on the motion?
14 Call the vote.
15 Anne?
16 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
17 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
18 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
19 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
20 Motion carried.
21 Next on our agenda, lawn mowing
22 proposals.
23 Do you have a synopsis for us, Mr.
24 Tutrone, or did I catch you off guard?
25 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: No. I was
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1 out on vacation last week and that was supposed
2 to have been given to you in an Excel
3 spreadsheet.
4 MR. KERRICK: We had seven
5 proposals for Keiper Ball Field, Blakeslee
6 Firehouse, Locust Ridge Field, sewage treatment
7 plant in Blakeslee and emergency services
8 building in Pocono Lake. They range -- I might
9 as well read them for the record: C.R.
10 Landscaping, total cut $455; Cut it Right Tree
11 Service, $1200; ABC Landscaping, $480; Turf
12 Masters, 625; Jeremy Smith Landscaping, 329,
13 $329 -- I can't read that one -- Ciraciello's
14 Landscaping, 335, $335; and A&M Landscaping,
15 $200.
16 Low bid appears to be A&M
17 Landscaping. That's quite a difference from low
18 to the high.
19 What's the board's pleasure?
20 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion that
21 we accept the A&M Landscaping bid for a total
22 price of $200 per cut.
23 MS. SINCAVAGE: I second the
24 motion.
25 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second on
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1 the floor.
2 Any discussion?
3 Discussion from the public on the
4 motion? Anyone?
5 MS. SINCAVAGE: John, who oversees
6 them to make sure they do their job right?
7 MR. KERRICK: The field
8 superintendent.
9 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: One concern I
10 do have with the pricing, which John brought up,
11 everybody that had not -- some of those people
12 had cut this prior so they did not meet with me.
13 And everybody else did meet, put a bid in, I
14 took them around each property and I showed
15 them. The concern I have with the lowest one
16 there is, the numbers are way out of range.
17 So what I would caution the board
18 on is, to put in a provision of that. Obviously
19 I would make sure that the insurance and every
20 other thing that's required is in place prior to
21 awarding that to them.
22 MR. KAPELSOHN: Was A&M one of the
23 ones who went around with you to the different
24 locations?
25 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Yes, they
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1 did.
2 MR. KERRICK: Did they provide
3 their insurance with their bid?
4 MR. TUTRONE: No. Normally they
5 don't until you guys decide who you want. Then
6 they ask for their respective paperwork, the
7 insurance and whatever forms they need to fill
8 out as far as the IRS.
9 (Discussion off the record.)
10 MR. KERRICK: What's your
11 suggestion on the matter, Manny?
12 MR. KAPELSOHN: I think they've
13 seen the locations. I think if we think they
14 are a responsible bidder, I think you should
15 award it to them.
16 MR. KERRICK: Okay.
17 MR. KAPELSOHN: Do we know
18 anything about them one way or the other?
19 MR. KERRICK: I never heard of
20 them.
21 MS. PICKARD: They're not from
22 the -- they're out of state.
23 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Most of the
24 people that bid this time -- there's I think
25 three -- four, four bidders, I believe, that
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1 have previously cut here. They gave prices.
2 Two of them we did have some issues with, but
3 they're up higher on the scale. So they're not
4 even really in question. Even if you go to the
5 next one, they're still not in question.
6 MR. KAPELSOHN: Ciraciello's?
7 MR. TUTRONE: The next one I
8 thought was Jeremy Smith.
9 MS. PICKARD: No.
10 MR. KERRICK: Yes.
11 MR. KAPELSOHN: They are --
12 actually, they are next in price.
13 MR. KERRICK: Jeremy Smith is
14 next, okay. So they have cut it before.
15 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Jeremy Smith
16 hasn't but Ciraciello has, but Jeremy Smith is
17 also on -- everybody has either physically
18 either cut the property before or saw the
19 property prior to putting their bid in.
20 MR. KERRICK: Last year we had --
21 numerous times we had to call and ask them to
22 come and cut.
23 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: That's right.
24 That's Ciraciello's.
25 MS. SINCAVAGE: Is there certain
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1 criteria that they have to abide by?
2 MR. KERRICK: I'm not familiar
3 with what was in the bid spec. Can you --
4 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Basically
5 what we went over was, I took them around, I
6 explained to them mowing and trimming, which was
7 advertised for each property. I took them
8 around and showed them the specific boundaries
9 and areas which had to be done. So they all had
10 the same.
11 Before it used to be just
12 advertised, nobody took anybody around. One guy
13 was bidding on half a field versus the other
14 half. So to make it an even playing field, we
15 took them all out and everybody's bidding on the
16 exact same thing. But the price difference, you
17 can see is just not -- in my opinion it's
18 entirely too low. If he does come and do a
19 great job, we've got to get him.
20 MR. KAPELSOHN: Just a question,
21 is Cut It Right Tree Service one that did it
22 before ever?
23 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: No. Before
24 that I believe that cut it, Ciraciello did it,
25 ABC did it, C.R. Landscaping did it and -- I
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1 can't think of the fourth one.
2 MR. KAPELSOHN: Turf Masters?
3 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: No.
4 MR. KAPELSOHN: Jeremy Smith.
5 MR. KERRICK: I think that's all
6 of them.
7 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: I'm sorry, I
8 got confused. So there's three that previously
9 cut it.
10 MS. PICKARD: The only thing is,
11 if we are unhappy with their services, we can
12 let them go or do we go to the next --
13 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: (Inaudible)
14 because it's under the $10,000. So we didn't
15 really have to go out to public bid, but we send
16 it out.
17 MS. PICKARD: Okay.
18 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: So at any
19 time you can terminate them and bring somebody
20 else in.
21 MR. KERRICK: Any other questions
22 or discussion on the motion?
23 Call the vote -- I'm sorry, do you
24 have a question?
25 MS. PICKARD: Well, I just wanted
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1 to make one comment that we were planning on
2 doing the park here at Blanch in-house, so that
3 was not included. We did a separate bid, but
4 we're not awarding that bid.
5 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: The way we
6 did the bids were those five properties that you
7 named were on one bid and then this complex was
8 on a totally separate bid.
9 MS. PICKARD: Okay.
10 MR. KERRICK: Thank you.
11 Call the vote.
12 Anne?
13 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
14 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
15 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
16 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
17 Motion carried.
18 Next on our agenda, portable
19 restroom rental quotes. We have three quotes:
20 Gotta-Go Potties, Inc., standard unit, $75;
21 handicap accessible, $95. I'll go through that
22 at the end. I'll just name the three.
23 We have another one from Allstate
24 Septic Systems, $80 per standard unit, 120 for a
25 handicap; and Pocono Port-a-John, 75 for
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1 standard and 90 for a handicap. Ed's -- that
2 was cleaned once a week --
3 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Once a week.
4 MR. KERRICK: -- for the units at
5 the parks?
6 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: That's
7 correct. That includes the park here and the
8 ball fields that we have, the Keiper Ball Field,
9 Blanch Ball Field and the Blakeslee Firehouse.
10 MR. KERRICK: So our lower bid is
11 Pocono Port-a-John. The standard unit is the
12 same, but the handicap accessible is $5 per
13 month cheaper.
14 What's the board's pleasure?
15 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion that
16 we go with Pocono Port-a-John with the standard
17 unit at $75 and the handicapped at $90.
18 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
19 motion.
20 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
21 Any questions from the board?
22 Questions or comments from the
23 public on the motion?
24 Yes, ma'am.
25 FEMALE STUDENT: Are you debating
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1 local issues?
2 MR. KERRICK: Well, these are
3 issues that happen here, yes. For instance,
4 this is the portable toilet that'll be used in
5 the parks; we have three different parks. So it
6 is kind of a local issue. Okay? Does that
7 answer your question?
8 FEMALE STUDENT: Yes.
9 MR. KERRICK: Yes, sir?
10 MALE STUDENT: Is there any other
11 parks that you guys are doing this for?
12 MR. KERRICK: Not this, no. We
13 have other parks in Blakeslee, but we haven't
14 developed it as of yet. It's a joint venture
15 with Tunkhannock Township and Tobyhanna
16 Township.
17 Call the vote.
18 Anne?
19 MS. SINCAVAGE: I vote in favor.
20 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
21 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
22 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
23 Motion carried. Sorry about that.
24 Next on our agenda, pool heater
25 quotes. We have three bids on a Ray Pack Model
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1 926 pool heater. If It's Water, Inc., $9,925;
2 Pocono Pool and Spa, $9,361; and Leon Clapper,
3 Inc., 9,240. This is for the pool -- the large
4 pool at the park here at Blanch Park.
5 What's the board's pleasure? Leon
6 Clapper seems to be the low bidder.
7 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll make a motion
8 we approve the Ray Pack Model 926 pool heater
9 for Leon Clapper, Incorporated, for the amount
10 of $9,240.
11 MS. PICKARD: I'll second that.
12 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
13 Any questions on the motion?
14 Discussion from the board?
15 Questions from the public?
16 Yes, sir.
17 MALE STUDENT: So you guys are
18 trying to build like a pool?
19 MR. KERRICK: No, we have a pool
20 here now, and we had a malfunction last summer
21 with the pool heater and it could not be
22 repaired so we have to buy a new one. So what
23 we did is, we advertised --
24 Was it 30 days before the meeting?
25 MR. KAPELSOHN: I think that's
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1 right.
2 MR. KERRICK: -- 30 days before
3 the opening, which was held last week. So we
4 got these quotes in last week. We tallied up
5 the votes and then we take action on them today
6 at this meeting.
7 Did that answer your question?
8 MALE STUDENT: Yeah.
9 MR. KERRICK: Okay.
10 MALE STUDENT: So you're voting on
11 them all and seeing which one's the best and
12 that's when you know it, like that?
13 MR. KERRICK: The bids are -- they
14 all bid on the same heater. It's three
15 different companies bid on the same heater and
16 they're in the range -- they're only a few
17 hundred dollars different from three different
18 companies; so we take the lower one.
19 Any other questions?
20 Yes, sir.
21 MALE STUDENT: How much is the
22 pool going to cost?
23 MR. KERRICK: The pool heater?
24 MALE STUDENT: Yes.
25 MR. KERRICK: $9,240, to keep you
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1 warm this summer.
2 Call the vote.
3 Anne?
4 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
5 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
6 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
7 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
8 Motion carried.
9 Pocono Manor Planning Module.
10 Anyone here represent Pocono Manor?
11 MR. KAPELSOHN: Is this the sewer
12 planning module?
13 MR. KERRICK: Yes.
14 MR. KAPELSOHN: I spoke with the
15 representative of Pocono Manor on Friday. I had
16 previously spoken with Engineer Ken Malkemes
17 from Borton-Lawson. We discussed some things
18 that needed to be provided for in a written
19 agreement, to assure the township that in the
20 event Pocono Manor were ever to default there
21 would be a way to take over providing the sewer
22 service for the facilities.
23 And this is in terms of bonds or
24 escrow amounts. It's in terms of an agreement
25 with a licensed sewer operator, and it's in
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1 terms of a written agreement with Pocono Manor
2 itself.
3 Jim Cahill got back to me and
4 indicated that their attorney, Marc Wolfe, would
5 not be able to come up with the written
6 agreement in time for this meeting but that he
7 would probably by the end of this week, and so
8 we should put it on for next month's agenda. So
9 that's --
10 MR. KERRICK: We have -- Ken is
11 here representing Borton-Lawson, which I'll get
12 to in one second. We have the time extension
13 which is -- will expire --
14 MR. KAPELSOHN: And he also
15 indicated that they'd sign whatever additional
16 time extension we needed for that purpose. So
17 the township needs to send him a HAP form.
18 MR. KERRICK: How can we protect
19 ourselves now because they're not here to be on
20 the record saying that they would? Do we need
21 to make a motion that if they don't sign it that
22 it's not approved?
23 MR. KAPELSOHN: We can do that.
24 MR. KERRICK: I mean, do you think
25 it's needed?
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1 MR. KAPELSOHN: That would be very
2 cautious, we could do that.
3 MR. KERRICK: Your recommendation
4 or do you think we're okay?
5 MR. KAPELSOHN: Let's make a
6 motion that in the event the time extension,
7 which we have been told will be provided is not
8 provided, then the sewer module is disapproved.
9 MS. PICKARD: So moved.
10 MR. KERRICK: Do we have a second
11 on that?
12 MS. SINCAVAGE: Second.
13 MR. KERRICK: Any discussion or
14 questions?
15 I'll call the vote.
16 Anne?
17 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
18 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
19 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
20 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
21 Ken, do you have anything to add?
22 Motion carried.
23 MR. KEN MALKEMES: Yes. This is
24 Ken Malkemes, M-a-l-k-e-m-e-s, with
25 Borton-Lawson, B-o-r-t-o-n dash L-a-w-s-o-n. I
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1 did receive some e-mail correspondence from the
2 zoning who was the developer's engineer on
3 Friday. He indicated, actually, I believe,
4 Friday, they were to deliver a revised set of
5 planning module documents to the township.
6 I think they should have, based on
7 what he's telling me, all the administrative and
8 the relatively minor comments addressed in
9 there. Of course, the sewage management program
10 that the solicitor referred to remains to be
11 resolved and that would have to be included in
12 that document.
13 When those documents do arrive
14 here, then one obviously should be provided to
15 our office and we can confirm that all those
16 other issues were addressed. We've not heard
17 that there was any objection to anything that
18 was in our review letter, so we expect that
19 they've satisfactorily addressed everything.
20 The one large issue that is still
21 outstanding dealt with the provision or
22 clarification of how much of a safety factor
23 they were providing on the site for storage of
24 treated effluence. And I'm sure this will be in
25 these documents as well; but to the board's
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1 benefit, in a normal operating scenario they
2 have about a 1.5 safety factor. In other words,
3 they need 39 million gallons at a maximum of
4 storage and they provide about 57 in their
5 design. DEP requires them to not -- to
6 essentially allow for two feet of free board in
7 all those ponds as well.
8 So if we can design for that in an
9 emergency or very unusual event, that volume
10 would also be available. And if you counted
11 that in, it would be almost two and a half times
12 the volume that they need.
13 So in our opinion we think they've
14 provided, at least for the planning stage of
15 this project, enough ability there to have a
16 safety factor. When the project actually goes
17 to construction permitting and goes through that
18 process with DEP, DEP will look closely with
19 that as well, as well as the township, to verify
20 that that's an appropriate level of safety for
21 the sewage.
22 So all expectations on our end are
23 that the technical issues will be resolved
24 satisfactorily, and it remains for the township
25 and developer to address the sewage development
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1 program.
2 MR. KERRICK: One thing -- two
3 things I want to add. One is, I was told that
4 they arrived late Friday. I have not confirmed
5 that, so before you leave we might want to
6 check --
7 MR. KEN MALKEMES: My intention
8 was to do so.
9 MR. KERRICK: -- and see if they
10 are here. And I don't know if you can answer
11 this, or you, Manny, but we'll have an agreement
12 with the borough, Mount Pocono Borough, and
13 Pocono Township?
14 MR. KAPELSOHN: Well, that remains
15 to be seen, but what Jim Cahill says to me,
16 again apparently he's told it to some of you
17 before, is that it's already been approved by
18 the borough and by Pocono Township. So they're
19 looking to have just an agreement with us.
20 Whether we require it to be with more than just
21 us remains to be seen.
22 MR. KERRICK: Okay. Well, we had
23 a discussion with one and I wasn't aware that
24 that was -- we'll have to --
25 MS. PICKARD: Also, I think Ken
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1 mentioned that DEP would like us all to have a
2 similar agreement.
3 MR. KEN MALKEMES: I think that
4 would be DEP's preference; whether they can
5 actually require that, I am not sure. It
6 probably presents more of a packaging issue for
7 them. I mean each municipality decides to adopt
8 their own sewer planning module and each sends
9 it to DEP.
10 Whether they will approve, you
11 know, three separate modules for a project of
12 this magnitude, sort of cross the boundaries, is
13 going to be DEP's call to make. So, if you ask
14 DEP I will suspect they will prefer to have a
15 coordinated module presented to them that is the
16 same for all three municipalities.
17 I certainly can't speak for them.
18 We can try to follow it up, if that's a question
19 you'd like to have us research or maybe that's
20 something more appropriate for that developer to
21 look into and verify with them before your board
22 acts and put it back on your agenda for three
23 months if DEP rejects it.
24 MS. PICKARD: This last review
25 letter that I had from you was March 5. Now, I
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1 thought you had things that you were cleaning up
2 there. Is there an additional review letter?
3 MR. KEN MALKEMES: (Inaudible)
4 we've cleaned up the (inaudible) developers
5 seepization volume issue that I just summarized
6 for you. So again, my expectation is that the
7 document has been delivered and all the comments
8 in that area have been addressed. There is also
9 a letter that lists some things that the
10 township would have to do, and they do appear on
11 the document, but those we can take care of
12 ourselves.
13 So I would expect that when I look
14 at these I would generate one more letter which
15 would indicate that all the technical issues are
16 resolved and leaving just the management program
17 to be addressed.
18 MR. KERRICK: Anything else for
19 Mr. Malkemes?
20 MS. PICKARD: No.
21 MR. KERRICK: Anyone from the
22 public have a question for Mr. Malkemes?
23 Thank you for your time. And if
24 you have to leave now you -- maybe you want to
25 check the office or you're welcome to stay.
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1 Thank you.
2 Next on our agenda --
3 MS. PICKARD: We voted on it?
4 MR. KERRICK: Yeah, we voted on it
5 before I went to him.
6 -- reappropriations Resolution No.
7 2007-07.
8 MS. PICKARD: We what we're doing
9 now is, we passed our budget at the end of
10 December and we wanted to move some money around
11 to some other areas that we saw a need for.
12 Some of those were the pool heater. We didn't
13 really have enough money in the budget for that
14 so we're moving money into the pool area.
15 Other areas we needed to put some
16 money in, which we'll get to probably next, was
17 on the 911 readdressing. We're moving $20,000
18 over there, and we needed to transfer money over
19 for equipment leasing and the DPW for a trench
20 ripper. We also had a couple of little items of
21 postage that were left off and things that we
22 needed to clean up.
23 So that is basically what our
24 resolution is so -- and I will move that we
25 approve Resolution 2007-007.
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1 MR. KERRICK: Motion on the floor.
2 Do we have a second?
3 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
4 motion.
5 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
6 Questions or comments from the
7 public on the motion?
8 Mr. Schurr. Fred Schurr.
9 MR. FRED SCHURR: Fred Schurr from
10 Camelot. I'd like to know, what funds are you
11 transferring? I mean, when you have the budget
12 you put the funds in and the some of them are
13 real high and nothing's done about it, and some
14 funds are too high and they move it over to
15 something else. I'd like to find out, not right
16 now because you post it, what items are being
17 transferred?
18 MS. PICKARD: We can make you a
19 copy of that.
20 MR. KERRICK: I'll make you a copy
21 after the meeting.
22 MR. FRED SCHURR: Okay. Thank
23 you.
24 MS. PICKARD: Some of the money
25 that we're using to reappropriate also is, there
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1 was an overpayment of attorney's fees last year.
2 And there was money that came in from FEMA last
3 year for flood issues --
4 MR. KERRICK: Flood related
5 issues.
6 MS. PICKARD: -- that we spent
7 money, that we got money in. So this was new
8 money that came in that we put to these items.
9 MR. FRED SCHURR: Thank you.
10 MR. KERRICK: Call the vote.
11 Anne?
12 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
13 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
14 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
15 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
16 Motion carried.
17 Next on our agenda, 911
18 readdressing.
19 (Discussion off the record.)
20 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: For those of
21 you who don't know, the project that we're
22 undertaking is on a countywide level; and each
23 municipality, each township and borough is
24 responsible for their respective area.
25 What it is, it's called enhanced
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1 91l; so that if you would pick up the phone and
2 dial 911, if something would happen and you
3 would get cut off or the phone would go dead, at
4 the 911 center, they would be able to tell where
5 that phone call came from.
6 Your address would come up on the
7 screen and they would be able to send whatever
8 help, police, fire, EMS, whatever would be
9 needed at the residence, if you were unable to
10 speak yourself and then they would be able to
11 find you.
12 Right now there's a lot of road
13 names that are duplicate in the township and a
14 lot of addresses that are duplicate in the
15 township and a lot of people who don't even have
16 a physical address in front of their house.
17 So what the county has done is
18 hired a firm to take the whole entire county and
19 readdress it. We may be able to use some
20 addressing numbers that are in place now or they
21 may all have to change. So our portion of it in
22 Tobyhanna Township we're responsible for.
23 So what we did was, we went to the
24 meetings in the county. They gave us aerial
25 maps, aerial photos of all the -- of our entire
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1 county and they broke them up in 5,000 by 5,000
2 square foot pictures. What we need to do is
3 show each individual structure and road that
4 exists now. We need to go out and we need to
5 verify that those are still existing there.
6 These aerial photos are from 2005,
7 they're the most recent. So we need to add any
8 new structures that have been built since 2005
9 and any new roads that have been put in. So we
10 need to add them. And then they're going to
11 take all this information back to the firm that
12 was hired, which is Kimble Associates, they're
13 going to put it all in their computer and then
14 they're going to figure out addresses for
15 everybody.
16 And then when they do that they're
17 going to come back to us and say, okay, now you
18 have two different roads that are the same name
19 in the township; you need to change this road or
20 that road. And what we want to do is the least
21 amount of impact to the public.
22 So if there's a, say -- I'll use
23 Lake Naomi here. There's three Naomis; Naomi
24 Drive, Naomi Place and Naomi Avenue. There's
25 only going to be one. So the one that has the
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1 least impact. Where if there's 20 houses on one
2 road and 40 houses on the other, we're probably
3 going to change the road that has the 20 houses
4 on it. And then that will be up to the board of
5 supervisors.
6 So all we need to do is -- there's
7 a lot of data collection that has to be done and
8 the developments -- we had meetings two separate
9 times with developments and every one of them,
10 except for one or two of them, has been gracious
11 enough to take their maps and actually go out
12 and do the work because they have the property
13 owners' lists and everything else they can go by
14 which takes about 75 percent of the work off the
15 municipality's employees.
16 And then from there some of the
17 developments are willing to help us out with
18 looking and helping us do the other parts of the
19 township that are without -- outside of the
20 boundaries of their development to help us along
21 with this process.
22 We're looking to have our end of
23 it completed and down to the -- from the
24 developments, completed and given back to us by
25 May 1, and then we're going to turn it over to
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1 the county. And this will probably -- once they
2 get all our data, it'll probably happen within
3 the next year to year and a half. And then
4 everybody will get a new address and it's going
5 to make life a lot easier and a lot safer for
6 the entire community.
7 MS. HAASE: What I presented to
8 the board and to Mr. Kapelsohn is a map of our
9 township and that map was separated into
10 different areas.
11 What we did is, we took each block
12 and we color coded it of what would be the lands
13 associated in an association, would be
14 associated to Tobyhanna Township, and an
15 association would be lands that did not have a
16 structure located on it or an area that was not
17 in the association that we would be responsible
18 to be doing.
19 As Ed mentioned, the developments
20 all, with the exception of Forest Glen, have
21 committed to collecting the data for their
22 developments, which is a massive help for us.
23 This is a huge project with the assumption --
24 and we'll have this completed from the
25 developments by May 1.
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1 At the end of collecting the data,
2 once this is now implemented, it's going to save
3 lives in the township's ability for the
4 emergency services to help the individuals that
5 are in need.
6 It's very important that the data
7 is collected properly and this is a project
8 that's going to benefit everyone in our township
9 and in our county.
10 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: One of the
11 things that the board just voted on in the
12 budget, in terms of appropriations, is where
13 they move $20,000 over to the enhanced 911,
14 unfortunately the county is putting -- the
15 county has no money because they are paying the
16 engineering firm with the money -- the grant
17 money that they got; so it kind of falls back on
18 the local municipality to fund their area.
19 So unfortunately we need to find
20 money to come up with to do this, which the
21 board has done. And that's -- Mr. Schurr, that
22 was one of the reasons why the $20,000 was moved
23 over. So that's going to include the -- if
24 there's any expense taken from the township as
25 far as manpower to do the door-to-door stuff
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1 that needs to be done and also for the new
2 street signs which we have started, we started
3 last year with.
4 Most of the Blakeslee area has
5 been reassigned because there's no duplicate
6 road names. And this money has to go towards
7 signage, towards the administration costs and
8 the employees to get this done. And
9 unfortunately there's no help out there for the
10 municipality.
11 MR. KERRICK: Anything else?
12 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: No.
13 MR. KERRICK: Anybody have any
14 questions for us on it?
15 MR. RAYMOND KEIPER: Raymond
16 Keiper. Has this been taken into consideration
17 of people that have cell phones who don't have a
18 telephone in their home?
19 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: No. Well,
20 part of the collection that we have to do is
21 basically go door to door in the sense where
22 we're beginning to find out if there's an actual
23 physical telephone in that house. If there
24 isn't, they don't want the cell phone number,
25 there's a way to track it through the towers now
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1 and through satellite.
2 So you're not -- what we're doing
3 as far as data collection we don't -- we will
4 not take your cell phone number because cell
5 phone -- I mean, you could have a cell phone
6 just in your house, which a lot of people are
7 doing now, and you don't have a hardwired phone
8 in your house, and you would dial 911 from here,
9 we don't want it to say that you're at your
10 house.
11 And that should track -- the way
12 the enhanced systems are with the cell phones
13 they should be able to track you where you are
14 when you dial that number or within a certain
15 area.
16 MS. HAASE: Correct. It's a
17 different way of figuring where that individual
18 is. If they have a mobile phone or cell phone,
19 the satellites, I believe, are going to help in
20 the location.
21 But the information that we're
22 requesting from the homeowners is to give us
23 their actual physical address, if they know it,
24 what they're using, their mailing address and
25 their actual phone that they're using in the
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1 home, the landline hardwired phone, with the
2 exclusion of cell phones that are not to be
3 used.
4 MR. RAYMOND KEIPER: And when you
5 say readdressing, you mean the actual mailing
6 address?
7 MS. HAASE: It depends. If right
8 now you're using an HC or an RR, the post office
9 hasn't made that determination. It may be
10 changed, it may not. The post office will be
11 involved --
12 MR. RAYMOND KEIPER: My address
13 was changed a few years ago and there was a
14 discrepancy there but my address -- I've got to
15 call all these people and tell them my address
16 was changed. It's quite a burden on the people
17 that have to change their address.
18 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: What's going
19 to happen is, that the county is going to send
20 out a bulk mailing. Once all this gets in place
21 and they have everything finalized, prior to any
22 addresses being changed or any street names
23 being changed, they're going to send out a bulk
24 mailing to everybody notifying them to notify
25 them. And that's one of the reasons why we need
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1 to collect this information, to notify them of
2 the address changes.
3 And the reason why we're not doing
4 the street names first and then the addresses --
5 because we were ready to go with our street
6 names, but then that would cause you to change,
7 especially businesses, change their letterheads
8 with a new street name then the same address and
9 then a year and a half later change the address.
10 So this way we combined it all at
11 once, do it all at once, and everybody will be
12 notified at that time. And hopefully that will
13 be the last time that they would have to do it.
14 MS. HAASE: This is a four phase
15 project; we are at the top of the second phase.
16 So we still have aways to go.
17 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: And also then
18 with the enhanced 911, it also helps with your
19 UPS, FedEx deliveries where most people either
20 have P.O. boxes or the RR boxes and UPS and
21 FedEx and those kind of companies aren't sure
22 exactly where your physical house is.
23 Once this gets done, there'll be
24 no question as to where you are because there'll
25 only be one Naomi Avenue or one Woodland Road in
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1 Tobyhanna Township. So there won't be any
2 duplicates.
3 MR. KERRICK: Mr. Podolak?
4 MR. GEORGE PODOLAK: How are they
5 picking out the new names for the streets?
6 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Well, at this
7 point we haven't really done much with -- what
8 we did with the township roads -- and if it was
9 involved in a development that the township owns
10 the road, we went to the developments such as
11 Lake Naomi, we gave them the map and we said
12 here you go, these roads need to be changed,
13 come up with a name. Here's a list of names
14 that currently exist, you can't use them, come
15 up with a name.
16 Then what we'll do when we -- we
17 have to go out, we have to identify every road,
18 whether it be a dirt road or a private road,
19 anything that has two or more houses on it,
20 we'll have to identify. And I'm assuming -- we
21 haven't gotten this far yet so I'm not sure the
22 exact process. We'll probably talk with the
23 residents and figure out, A, if that road was
24 ever named before and it just never had a sign
25 on it; or B, what road name they would like to
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1 see.
2 MR. GEORGE PODOLAK: The reason
3 I'm asking is, is because some towns are using
4 both men and women that have been killed in
5 service for their country. It might be
6 something to think about. And then they put a
7 sign underneath it, you know, whether they were
8 killed in World War II, Korea or whatever it
9 was. This way somebody knows where the name
10 come from. It's just something that I just
11 thought I'd throw out.
12 MS. HAASE: Anyone else?
13 MR. HERMAN FETTE: My name is
14 Herman Fette. Many years ago the emergency
15 management also came up with a grid system,
16 which evidently never worked or never took hold.
17 There was a big to do about that, how it was
18 going to sa everything.
19 The only problem I have with the
20 enhanced system is, whether it happens to me or
21 not, you change my address. You are going to
22 disrupt my entire means of communication until I
23 get it straightened out. All my legal documents
24 I'm going to have to change as -- and I'm not a
25 businessman, but as a businessman who is going
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1 to incur some of the costs of all the
2 stationery, of all the things that have had an
3 address for however many years?
4 I think you're dumping a lot on
5 people. And in some regards -- I have an
6 84-year-old mother who has a hard time with just
7 the day-to-day. I really don't think that's
8 fair to her. The way I understand the system --
9 if I'm wrong, then I apologize, but if they're
10 going to come in and change everything on her,
11 you take an elderly person like that, that's a
12 lot of paperwork to have forced upon her and to
13 have her address changed. Thank you.
14 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: You're
15 absolutely correct in what you're saying there
16 as far as the changing the stationery.
17 Unfortunately that was one of the questions that
18 was brought up on a county level. And they told
19 us the same thing, there's no money there, so
20 you're on your own.
21 Unfortunately that's from the
22 county level and the county's the one that's
23 pushing it down onto us. Whether or not there
24 will be any funding when we get to that point
25 grant-wise, to help out the individual people,
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1 I'm not sure. And that's something that
2 obviously we're going to continue to look into
3 and so is the county, to look for funding; but
4 if not, the burden would fall back onto the
5 property owner.
6 MS. PICKARD: Ed, you also said
7 that at this point in time that the post office
8 may keep the HC9 and the route numbers --
9 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: That's
10 correct.
11 MR. PICKARD: -- and then post
12 office boxes would stay the same.
13 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Just because
14 you're getting a new address at your house --
15 I'm not sure if your mom has a P.O. box
16 number --
17 MR. HERMAN FETTE: Yes, she does.
18 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: If she has a
19 P.O. box, then I'm sure she doesn't have to
20 change anything. All it's going to be is the
21 physical address of her street and her house.
22 The P.O. box -- like I have a P.O. box, so I'm
23 going to keep my P.O. box.
24 MR. HERMAN FETTE: But if you
25 change the name of the street --
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1 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: That's
2 correct.
3 MR. HERMAN FETTE: -- and that's
4 being proposed, here comes the paperwork issue.
5 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Right. You
6 won't have to do anything. From what they told
7 us at the county, there's nothing that would
8 have to be done with the property deeds; they're
9 also going to stay the same. How they're going
10 to get around that street name change, I'm not
11 sure; but they said that it's not going to
12 affect the deed, it's not going to affect your
13 lot number.
14 And I'll give you an example, just
15 to try and clarify it a little more, about four
16 or five years ago Lake Naomi took it upon
17 themselves to try and better the community there
18 because -- and I'm just going to tell you one --
19 in fact, I was on the fire call with -- there
20 was an automatic alarm at 9 Long View Lane.
21 There was two 9 Long View Lanes. So we're at
22 one and the call is actually at the other.
23 So what Lake Naomi did is, they
24 took it upon themselves -- the lot numbers are
25 still the same as far as the deed goes, but they
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1 numbered each house on the respective street,
2 each lot so that it's easier for emergency
3 service to get there.
4 Now, as far as some of the minor
5 documents that you're talking about, if you
6 change the name, that's going to be -- if she
7 would order something from UPS or FedEx, yeah,
8 she's going to have a new street name. But if
9 she wants to keep her P.O. box, you do not have
10 to change your -- for the street address for
11 your mail, if you're currently getting your mail
12 at the post office.
13 And it's up in the air what the
14 post office is going to do as far as the hand
15 carriers or the cost of boxes at the
16 developments. They may all stay the same, they
17 may change; but until the postal service decides
18 that, that's their decision and nobody can make
19 that for them. They have to make that on their
20 own.
21 MS. HAASE: We understand that
22 this may be an inconvenience for many people,
23 but the goal is to get emergency responders to
24 that individual that's hurt or ailing. Whether
25 it be an 84-year old woman or whether it's
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1 Jennifer that fell and broke her ankle and she
2 needs help, the goal is to get them there as
3 soon as possible.
4 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Any questions
5 for us?
6 MS. PICKARD: I had a question
7 just for discussion on the green boxes, they're
8 the ones that we're going to have to go -- and
9 the discussion that you had talked -- you and I
10 had met with Pocono GIS that is available to
11 subcontract some of this work out.
12 MS. HAASE: Correct.
13 MS. PICKARD: Is there going to be
14 anyway to determine -- I mean, right now they're
15 going to try to do some stuff with the DPW, but
16 if we have floods like we did last June, I don't
17 know whether we have something --
18 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: Right now a
19 lot of these -- correct me if I'm wrong, but a
20 lot of these green boxes that are in our area
21 are land with no structures. So really it's
22 just a matter of driving by and just making sure
23 that there has been no structures put on.
24 MS. PICKARD: I think the white
25 boxes is no structures.
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1 MS. HAASE: I think the white
2 boxes we just need verification from an
3 individual that there's not a dirt road located
4 on that property going back to say a camp we're
5 not aware of. That's what we need verification
6 on.
7 The areas that our township
8 workers are going to need to be working on is
9 the areas that would be totally encased in
10 green. And that's -- with the help of the
11 developments, it's been reduced greatly. As you
12 can see the boxes in comparison to what the
13 developments are doing, their help is a large
14 asset to us.
15 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: And one of
16 the other things we asked the development to do,
17 and pretty much all of them have agreed, that if
18 their aerial photo falls -- the road fall
19 outside of their development, most of them are
20 willing take that on, on that entire map. So
21 that's going to cut out a lot of the area that
22 we'll have to --
23 MS. HAASE: And that would be the
24 Tobyhanna and the association, so that would be
25 the yellow boxes encased.
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1 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: I feel pretty
2 confident other than, like you said, there's
3 some unforeseen thing that would happen, a
4 flood. I feel pretty confident that we could
5 complete it in-house.
6 MS. PICKARD: And you don't have
7 the timeline or -- how can we figure out how
8 long this is going to take? You know, is it
9 going to take two weeks to a month, six months?
10 MS. HAASE: I think it's going to
11 take a good four weeks for those.
12 MS. PICKARD: Okay.
13 MS. HAASE: But this is going to
14 be a participation of DPW, office workers,
15 officials, whomever we can generate from the
16 township to collect the data. That's going to
17 affect the timeline. If we have a restricted
18 amount of employees that can do it, of course
19 the timeline's going to have to be lengthened.
20 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: One of the
21 other things that Manny got asked in the work
22 session was about volunteer firemen. There's a
23 fire company meeting Wednesday night and I was
24 going to bring that up to see if there's
25 anybody -- any of the volunteers that are --
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1 maybe -- we have some people that are retired
2 that maybe might be interested because they're
3 technically an employee of the township, so
4 they're covered, that may want to go out and
5 help us with this.
6 And if we can get two or three
7 people from there or from the EMS, then that
8 will greatly reduce the work that you'd have to
9 pull the day-to-day people away from here.
10 MS. PICKARD: Were you also
11 discussing the signs? Is there a possibility
12 that the fire company might get involved still
13 in the in-house signs?
14 MR. EDWARD TUTRONE: That I know
15 was brought up about a year ago. I don't know
16 what their feeling is on it at this point until
17 we see exactly what kind of signs they want and
18 who's going to make them and how it's going to
19 work, the cost of them.
20 MS. HAASE: It's my understanding
21 that other counties have implemented that,
22 Pike County. Some of the areas there have
23 implemented the resources to the landowners,
24 that they can go to the fire department and
25 receive their address sign and then post that on
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1 the property. So that has been implemented in
2 other areas.
3 Anything else?
4 MR. KERRICK: Thank you for your
5 in-depth report.
6 Next on our agenda, Resolution
7 2007-08. It's a resolution authorizing payment
8 to the tax collector for processing interim tax
9 bills. At the present time our tax collector
10 does not get paid for interim bills and this
11 will set compensation at $5 per bill.
12 What's the board's pleasure?
13 MS. PICKARD: Make a motion to
14 approve Resolution 2007-008.
15 MS. SINCAVAGE: I'll second the
16 motion.
17 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
18 Any questions or discussion from
19 the board?
20 Questions or comments from the
21 public on the motion?
22 Mr. Schurr?
23 MR. FRED SCHURR: How much does
24 the tax collector get? What's her pay?
25 MR. KERRICK: I can't answer that
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1 right now. I have no idea. I can investigate
2 it and give you an answer, but at this time I
3 can't tell you.
4 MS. PICKARD: I can tell you that
5 the school district is now paying her $5.50 for
6 the interim tax bills.
7 MR. FRED SCHURR: Well, if she
8 gets paid --
9 MS. PICKARD: She's not getting
10 paid for the interim tax bills, and by law she
11 is entitled to get paid for that.
12 MR. FRED SCHURR: She gets paid
13 for collecting the taxes, correct?
14 MR. KERRICK: By law she has to
15 get paid for interim tax bills. At the present
16 time she doesn't. That's why we did the
17 resolution and we set it at $5 per bill.
18 MR. FRED SCHURR: I don't think
19 she rates that because you can deliver the tax
20 to -- she doesn't do any extra work, really. I
21 mean it's ridiculous, $5 for each tax bill. How
22 much does that come --
23 MR. KERRICK: Interim tax bill.
24 Not every tax bill. Interim tax bills.
25 MR. FRED SCHURR: What's the
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1 difference?
2 MR. KERRICK: The difference is,
3 somebody builds a home and they move in it
4 halfway through the year, you have an interim
5 bill. The next year would be the regular cycle
6 which would get paid on the percentage she gets
7 paid now.
8 Right now for that bill that's
9 issued for a few months or six months, or
10 whatever the case may be, she does not get paid.
11 And Harrisburg changed the law so we have no
12 choice, we have to compensate her.
13 MR. FRED SCHURR: Well, if that's
14 the case -- I don't know. A lot of people --
15 MR. KERRICK: I appreciate your
16 comments.
17 MR. FRED SCHURR: Pardon?
18 MR. KERRICK: I appreciate your
19 comments.
20 MR. FRED SCHURR: Yeah, well, it's
21 only a comment, I guess. Thank you.
22 MR. KERRICK: Anything else,
23 Manny, on that?
24 MR. KAPELSOHN: No.
25 MR. KERRICK: Call the vote.
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1 Anne?
2 MS. SINCAVAGE: Vote in favor.
3 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
4 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
5 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
6 Motion carried.
7 Does anyone from the board have
8 anything?
9 MS. PICKARD: Yes. Spring cleanup
10 is scheduled for a week, Monday, April 16
11 through Saturday, April 21. Hours of operation
12 are Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. and
13 Saturday 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. And fees are $30 per
14 car load; a pickup truck or van load, $45 to
15 $70; and a one ton truck, the maximum size
16 allowed, 95 to $125; bags of clothing, et
17 cetera, $5 each; appliances $25 to $40.
18 If you need --
19 MR. KERRICK: Thank you.
20 MS. PICKARD: -- any other
21 information, we have it here.
22 MR. KERRICK: Does anyone from the
23 public, other than the fourth grade class --
24 we're going to get to you after we close the
25 meeting -- have anything they'd like to address
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1 the board?
2 Mr. Sopack? Podolak? Anybody?
3 MR. GEORGE PODOLAK: No, sir.
4 MR. KERRICK: Mr. Schurr,
5 anything?
6 MR. FRED SCHURR: Well, I have one
7 thing.
8 MR. KERRICK: Come on.
9 MR. FRED SCHURR: About the roads
10 in Camelot.
11 MR. KERRICK: Yes, sir.
12 MR. FRED SCHURR: Now, the
13 developer that did the sewer work was in court
14 because he didn't do a proper job. Now, the
15 lawyer that we had before, we had -- the
16 township had to sue against that company. I
17 forget the name of the --
18 MALE VOICE: Linde.
19 MR. FRED SCHURR: Oh, Linde.
20 Thank you. And any time I asked about how it
21 was going, it was always in the courts. And to
22 this day I don't know whether the township pays
23 or whether they pay. Now, the lawyer that we
24 had before, he said that he couldn't handle it.
25 He went out and got a couple of more lawyers
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1 supposedly on the job.
2 Now, I never found out what's
3 happening with that, and the roads are
4 collapsing in Camelot as a result of that
5 outfit, Linde's outfit. So I would like to know
6 what happened. I mean, did they pay up or we
7 lose the case or what?
8 MR. KAPELSOHN: The case was
9 eventually settled and it was settled on the --
10 first of all, the township wound up paying less
11 money for the sewer system to be put in than had
12 been budgeted for; so not all of the allocated
13 money was spent. In addition to which, the
14 engineering firm, which is Michael J. Pasonick
15 and Associates, agreed to contribute to the
16 settlement.
17 Linde was entitled to be paid some
18 additional funds that had been withheld by the
19 township and there was some dispute about that;
20 but the fact is they had done additional work
21 that they had not been compensated for. The
22 engineering firm, Pasonick, agreed to contribute
23 an amount to the township's payment to Linde.
24 So basically the township paid
25 less money than it had contracted for or
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1 budgeted for. Linde was paid for the additional
2 work it did and the engineer paid something
3 toward that work, which was because we as a
4 township had a claim against the engineer as
5 well for things we claimed had been done
6 improperly by the engineer throughout the
7 project.
8 MR. FRED SCHURR: Well, the roads
9 are still collapsing and that's a problem. On
10 Camelot -- I think it's Camelot Drive, or
11 whatever, the whole side is collapsing. I was
12 with the roadmaster one time and I showed him
13 one section there and it's -- nothing's been --
14 I mean, they went over and tried to do
15 something, but the whole thing is collapsing and
16 it's going to be an expense to us taxpayers.
17 MR. KERRICK: Mr. Schurr, there is
18 places that there is settlement, not collapsing.
19 We are addressing the areas that have settled.
20 We are going to continue to address the areas
21 that are settled.
22 We're also changing the drainage
23 pipes within Camelot Forest so we can slate
24 paving of those roads. We'd like to get all
25 that done now and settled before we pave them.
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2 So if you pave the roads now, it will look like
3 Swiss cheese.
4 MR. FRED SCHURR: You probably say
5 it's not collapsing, but I know that it is
6 absolutely collapsing. Go on that main road
7 there and you can see that the whole thing is
8 collapsing.
9 MR. KERRICK: I disagree.
10 MR. FRED SCHURR: It's not
11 settling.
12 MR. KERRICK: That's settlement.
13 We had collapsing -- I was --
14 MR. FRED SCHURR: It wasn't
15 backfilled properly.
16 MR. KERRICK: Okay. I'm not going
17 to argue with you. Thank you for your comments.
18 Mr. Podolak?
19 MR. GEORGE PODOLAK: Mr. Chairman,
20 I'd like to compliment the township, the teacher
21 and the school board for allowing the kids to
22 come down. I think it's an excellent idea and
23 get them involved in an early age. Thank you.
24 MR. KERRICK: That you for your
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3 MS. PICKARD: Motion to adjourn.
4 MR. KERRICK: Motion to adjourn.
5 Do we have a second?
6 MS. SINCAVAGE: Second.
7 MR. KERRICK: Meeting adjourned.
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