Before
THE TOBYHANNA TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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In Re: Public hearing to receive public comment and to
consider the adoption of an ordinance amending the
Tobyhanna Township Zoning Map, to rezone Monroe
County
Tax Parcel No. 19/94521 and a portion of Tam Map
Parcel
No. 19/20/2/85.
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Tobyhanna Township Government Center Building
State Avenue
Pocono Pines, Pennsylvania 18350
Monday, April 14, 2008 beginning at 10:15 a.m.
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PRESENT: JOHN E. KERRICK, Chairperson
HEIDI A. PICKARD, Vice-Chairperson
HUGH LAMBERTON, Board Member
JAMIE B. KEENER, Board Member
PATRICK M. ARMSTRONG, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
ALSO PRESENT: PHYLLIS HAASE, Zoning Officer
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PANKO REPORTING
537 Sarah Street, 2nd Floor
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 18360
(570) 421-3620
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1 MR. ARMSTRONG: Again, my name is
2 Patrick Armstrong. I'm the solicitor for Tobyhanna
3 Township. We're here this morning at 10:15 a.m. to
4 discuss and hold a public hearing for a proposed
5 zoning amendment that would amend the zoning map
6 for Tobyhanna Township.
7 The proposed amendment to the zoning
8 map has been forwarded and reviewed by both the
9 township planning commission, as well as the county
10 planning commission. Both the township and the
11 county planning commission have recommended
12 adoption of the ordinance with respect to the
13 proposed zoning map change.
14 It's been advertised accordingly in
15 a public newspaper for a public hearing this
16 morning at 10:15, on April 14, 2008. It's been
17 provided to the Monroe County Law Library for
18 public availability. It's been available at the
19 township offices for public availability and also
20 at the newspaper of its advertising.
21 The township has a review letter and
22 comment letter dated January 10, 2008 from Monroe
23 County Planning Commission wherein the county
24 planning commission provided some comments with
25 respect to the proposed ordinance. The township
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1 planning commission also provided comments and
2 recommended adoption of the proposed ordinance.
3 The proposed ordinance is an
4 ordinance that will amend the Tobyhanna Township
5 zoning map, a portion of the township from
6 currently an R-2 District and will change that area
7 into the C District. Exhibits A and B of the
8 proposed ordinance provide the map and legal
9 description of the area to be rezoned.
10 This ordinance is a result of a
11 petition for a zoning change for one of the
12 property owners of the area to be rezoned, and the
13 background of that is outlined in the ordinance.
14 The property owner is Management Accounting and
15 Consulting Services. They petitioned the township
16 for this zoning change pursuant to a subdivision
17 that they applied for with the township. That
18 subdivision has been approved and recorded with the
19 county recorder of deeds.
20 I believe Exhibit A or B is posted
21 on the bulletin board in the front of the room
22 which shows the surrounding areas as being
23 commercial and also R-2. The R-2 area is also
24 currently owned by the landowner that had
25 petitioned the township for the zoning map change.
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1 On Exhibit A of the proposed
2 ordinance it identifies and illustrates the area to
3 be rezoned as Lot No. 2, as well as a small out
4 parcel from a neighboring property that appears to
5 be located primarily in the commercial district.
6 And, again, this is an ordinance that will rezone
7 this area of the township from R-2 to C,
8 commercial.
9 Are there any comments from the
10 board for this particular ordinance?
11 MR. KEENER: I would just say that
12 this rezoning is generally consistent with the
13 regional comprehensive plan and that any
14 development of that land would be in accordance
15 with our current regulations requiring buffers
16 between commercial and residential uses or parcels.
17 MR. ARMSTRONG: I see there's some
18 people from the public here today. Why don't we
19 open it up for public comment at this time? Please
20 identify yourself and your address for the record.
21 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: My name is
22 Charles Orlando. And we have a vacation home just
23 north of that -- just north and west of that
24 property. As I understand it from talking to
25 several people, one of the problems that I have
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1 with it is there are no plans at this time to
2 develop it as a commercial property; therefore we
3 have no idea what will be going there under the
4 commercial label, if you will. If we knew what was
5 going in there, I might not be against it because I
6 might be in favor of that particular development.
7 As it is, I would rather not see it
8 rezoned until somebody says this is what I would
9 like to do, this is how I would like to develop it.
10 If we don't do that, six months, a year from now,
11 anything could be in there under the commercial
12 rule and that I'm against. It would also devalue
13 my property.
14 MR. ARMSTRONG: Where is your
15 property?
16 MR. LAMBERTON: Could you point it
17 out?
18 MR. KEENER: If you look at Exhibit
19 A --
20 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: If you look at
21 Exhibit A, I'm right here.
22 MR. KEENER: Right above the 1990.97
23 dimension.
24 MR. ARMSTRONG: Just so you know,
25 Mr. Orlando, as you said, there are no plans before
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1 this township right now as to what's going in
2 there. This is just an ordinance that would rezone
3 that portion of the property to -- I mean, if you
4 look, it looks like the majority of the property
5 towards -- what is that, 115? -- towards 115 is
6 currently commercial. So that I think -- you know,
7 this is primarily for planning purposes, for the
8 rezoning of the map change.
9 In the event in the future that the
10 property owner wants to develop the property,
11 they'd have to come before the township with a land
12 development plan; and that land development plan
13 would indicate what, if any, proposed uses are
14 being proposed at that time.
15 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: I understand
16 that, but once it is rezoned from residential to
17 commercial it makes it a heck of a lot easier at
18 that future time to put something in there under
19 the commercial label, which we have no idea, you
20 know, what would be going in there; but it makes it
21 a lot easier to do, so it's a problem for us.
22 MR. LAMBERTON: Sir, if it's zoned
23 commercial we can't restrict it beyond the
24 ordinance.
25 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: But there's a
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1 lot that could be under the commercial label that
2 may not be good --
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: There is --
4 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: -- for a
5 residential community.
6 MR. ARMSTRONG: There is currently
7 commercial property directly bordering your
8 property, right?
9 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: That's below
10 115, yes.
11 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yes.
12 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Timothy Burt.
13 I'm from Blakeslee. I have a business actually
14 right along 115, Skeeter's Garden Center. Now,
15 we're only talking about just the one little
16 section past where it is already zoned commercial,
17 correct? We're not talking about the whole piece,
18 just from that line right on over towards 115.
19 MR. KEENER: This is it here.
20 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Now, what about
21 how -- like he said, that needs to follow along,
22 you know, when they submit a plan, as to what they
23 want to do. Can they further subdivide that
24 property because it's then being changed into
25 commercial or is it just through a normal process
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1 of, you know, doing the plans and so forth on what
2 they want to put in there?
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: Any future
4 subdivision would still have to come before the
5 township. We have no -- no one's applied for any
6 more subdivision of the property but --
7 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Is that a
8 possibility? Could that happen?
9 MR. ARMSTRONG: It would have to
10 comply with the existing SALDO, the subdivision --
11 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Would that go
12 along with the comprehensive plan that he talked
13 about --
14 MR. KEENER: Yes.
15 MR. ARMSTRONG: And just so everyone
16 knows, she is taking everyone down with what
17 everyone's saying so try not to talk over each
18 other. That's all.
19 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: So then that back
20 portion is still R-2, correct?
21 MR. ARMSTRONG: That is correct.
22 MR. KEENER: And for the record,
23 that's being considered for open space.
24 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Yes, I know,
25 which I think is a wonderful idea, take that piece
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1 of property off the rolls. We're growing in this
2 community as it is, and I find this to be a
3 controlled growth. You're only taking really not
4 even the same amount as what's already there that's
5 zoned commercial and adding that R-2 piece into a
6 commercial area to give them maybe a little bit
7 more room to put something in there and make it --
8 with the buffers, as long as they have to be in
9 there and so forth. I find that to be a win-win
10 situation, especially if we can take that big piece
11 of property off the rolls and not put a housing
12 development or something like that in.
13 It's gonna make my taxes go up more
14 'cause I can't afford it. So I much rather see
15 that going to an open space area. And just for
16 that little piece of property, I don't think that's
17 a big problem.
18 MS. PICKARD: Thank you.
19 MRS. PATRICIA ORLANDO: My concern
20 was that it's -- my name is Patricia Orlando, and
21 we have the lot near the rezoning. I agree with my
22 husband. As long as we knew what was going on, we
23 don't see the reason that it needs to be changed
24 now since they have no plans for that area. And if
25 they do have plans for the area, then what are
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1 they? 'Cause we haven't be able to find out why it
2 needs to be rezoned for commercial.
3 Why commercial rather than R-2?
4 That's what we want to know. We're not going to be
5 able to get it changed back to R-2 once it's
6 changed to commercial. So before it gets changed,
7 we'd like to know what's going on.
8 MR. KERRICK: You're familiar that a
9 year ago they had a 300-lot subdivision there,
10 300-home subdivision? That's what they proposed to
11 do on that property.
12 MRS. PATRICIA ORLANDO: Yeah.
13 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: But it would
14 be residential.
15 MR. KERRICK: Three hundred homes.
16 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: 300 homes, no
17 way.
18 MS. PICKARD: That would add an
19 additional burden to all the taxpayers in the
20 township.
21 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: When we say
22 commercial, is that limited to like retail stores,
23 shopping center, Sheetz gas stations? Are we
24 limited as to what the commercial application is?
25 MR. ARMSTRONG: The zoning ordinance
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1 has specific uses that are permitted within this
2 commercial district.
3 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Okay. So nothing
4 like an industrial site can go in there then,
5 correct, no plant or manufacturing or something of
6 that nature? How much is that? How much area is
7 or would be the total commercially zoned? Does it
8 say it right here?
9 MR. KERRICK: You're adding
10 23 acres. That's what they're requesting is
11 23 acres.
12 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: How much do they
13 already have?
14 MR. KERRICK: It would show you on
15 that paper that I already gave you, doesn't it?
16 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: I see the 23.
17 MS. HAASE: Mr. Chairman, the
18 existing acreage is 25.67 acres. They're gonna be
19 adding 23.35 for a total of 49 acres.
20 MR. KERRICK: Tim, less than 50
21 acres total.
22 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: And how much is
23 that other piece then, that R-2 that still would be
24 R-2?
25 MR. KERRICK: Eighty acres.
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1 MS. PICKARD: Eighty-five.
2 MR. KERRICK: Eighty-five.
3 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: It's a nice
4 trade-off.
5 MR. ARMSTRONG: And some of the
6 permitted uses in the commercial district, for
7 those of you who are interested, are hotels,
8 motels, restaurants, gift and antique shops, retail
9 stores, personal service shops, meaning barbers,
10 dry cleaning, business and professional offices.
11 You know, you can go to Section
12 151-16 of the zoning ordinance, but there are
13 separate sections for industrial, commercial
14 industrial. This is a C, commercial district. Go
15 ahead.
16 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Does anybody know
17 what the buffer zone is with that ordinance going
18 from R-2 property to commercial?
19 MR. ARMSTRONG: The buffer zone
20 between the commercial and residential is --
21 MS. HAASE: Twenty-five feet.
22 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Twenty-five feet.
23 That's it? Can that be amended to make it a larger
24 buffer zone for that? Twenty-five feet doesn't
25 really sound like a lot, I do agree with that.
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1 That's probably what, normal setback?
2 MR. KEENER: There's buffer yards
3 and there's screening requirements as well
4 depending on the use. So there may be additional
5 screening required for line of sight.
6 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: But depending on
7 its use, correct?
8 MR. KEENER: And depending on the
9 use it might even be under a conditional use, which
10 the board of supervisors could add conditions maybe
11 to make it a little bit wider.
12 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: 'Cause I was
13 wondering, can that be like amended into it, that
14 they make it like a 50-foot, 75-foot buffer in
15 between an R-2?
16 MR. KEENER: Well, that's not part
17 of this ordinance.
18 MR. ARMSTRONG: That's not part of
19 this ordinance.
20 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: Oh, that's not
21 part, okay.
22 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: Chuck Orlando.
23 Why now as opposed to when you have an actual plan
24 for something? Why now? Why have to rezone it
25 now?
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1 MR. KEENER: Because marketability
2 they wouldn't be able to market it as a C district.
3 Somebody's not gonna buy it under the
4 speculation -- or they may, they may put a
5 condition on the purchase for the rezoning. But
6 there's quite a few constraints on the front parcel
7 with some drainage ways and wetlands, and it really
8 doesn't provide much opportunity to do commercial
9 development.
10 We don't need to know -- in order to
11 read the zone, we don't need to know exactly what's
12 going to be going on that lot. You know, it's --
13 to me, again, I think it is a good trade-off; we're
14 preserving 80-some acres. It's consistent with the
15 adjacent property of Blakeslee Corners.
16 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, I don't
17 think -- I think you're focusing too much on the
18 property owner. I think the property owner
19 petitioned the township and said hey, you know,
20 this is surrounded on this complete side is all
21 commercial, is there a possibility to rezone this
22 to be commercial?
23 And I think after considering the
24 zoning comprehensive plan the board and the
25 planning commission, both from the county and
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1 township, all agreed that, you know, it makes sense
2 with respect to where it's at within the township.
3 And that's how we came up -- that's how this
4 ordinance has been preserved.
5 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: My last
6 comment would be very simple, if any of you owned
7 that property in the Pocohanna Colony, would you
8 want to see that zoned commercial? Last comment.
9 MR. LAMBERTON: Do you want 300
10 homes in there?
11 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: If they're
12 residential, it's just like my home.
13 MR. LAMBERTON: And your school
14 taxes would go like that (indicating).
15 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: Maybe.
16 MR. LAMBERTON: No maybes about it.
17 The taxes you're paying -- I don't know if you have
18 children or not. The taxes you're paying will
19 never pay for your child's education, never.
20 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: I've already
21 paid over and over for my children's education,
22 believe me.
23 MR. ARMSTRONG: Just so everyone's
24 aware -- you can keep looking at this -- this is
25 existing commercial, commercial, commercial. This
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1 is existing R-2. And this right here is what we're
2 talking about. This is existing R-2, that's being
3 changed from R-2 -- or proposed as being changed
4 from R-2 to C, this section right here. What's
5 posted up there is what is existing.
6 MR. TIMOTHY BURT: It actually
7 follows along the same property line as the
8 supermarket area there. And the thing is, it still
9 would be R-2 designated right there by Pocohanna
10 Colony.
11 And actually, if all goes well with
12 us being able to get that into an open space and
13 put it part of the Austin Blakeslee natural area,
14 that would be more of a win-win situation for the
15 homeowners there, I feel, because now they are
16 backed up to a natural area that's left untouched
17 and nobody can do anything with it. That, I think,
18 would be the neat thing.
19 MR. ARMSTRONG: Okay, are there any
20 other comments from the public at this time? Yes?
21 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: How you doing?
22 Bob Colello. I own a little house right in the
23 middle of the property, the one that's half where
24 the --
25 MR. ARMSTRONG: Oh, the small out
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1 parcel? The small out parcel that's being proposed
2 to be rezoned?
3 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Yes.
4 MR. ARMSTRONG: This small piece
5 right there?
6 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: That's it. And
7 there's another house next to it.
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: And then the
9 remainder of the property is in the commercial
10 district.
11 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: All of it's
12 supposed to be residential and commercial; it
13 splits in half. I don't know how that ever
14 happened. I didn't know how they can do that, but
15 they did. You know, I don't know. And then the
16 other one next to us is all commercial, and that
17 guy told me that he had to change to residential.
18 So I don't know, you know, who's kidding who. I
19 don't know what's going on.
20 Paul Bird's house, he had told us he
21 changed to residential to set back more. Don't
22 look it. It looks like it's all commercial.
23 MR. KERRICK: It is.
24 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: And they're
25 half and half and you only got an acre of land so I
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1 don't know. You can build a house on a commercial
2 land? I don't know.
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: What's the question?
4 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: You can build a
5 home on a commercial property?
6 MR. ARMSTRONG: Depending on what
7 the use is, no. It would have to comply with the
8 commercial zoning district regulations and the
9 permitted uses within the --
10 MR. KEENER: The remainder of his
11 lot would be -- well, part of it is in an existing
12 nonconforming now. And the remainder is --
13 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, you're not
14 talking about building, you have an existing
15 structure on the property now.
16 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Yeah, half and
17 half. It's half commercial. They want --
18 MR. ARMSTRONG: Right now your
19 structure's in the commercial zone, correct?
20 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Half of it is.
21 The other half is in the residential zone.
22 MR. ARMSTRONG: Right. So you're a
23 preexisting nonconforming use.
24 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: They want to
25 change -- they want to make it all commercial, is
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1 what they want to do. They want to change my house
2 from residential to commercial.
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: But you have a
4 preexisting nonconforming use on your property.
5 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: So it's
6 existing, but it's gonna stay that way? I mean,
7 you know, what's gonna happen to it?
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: Your house?
9 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Yeah, the
10 private road coming in.
11 MR. ARMSTRONG: If you continue to
12 use your house as a nonconforming residential
13 property, that's fine. If and when you decide to
14 change it from residential to commercial use, you
15 can't then change it back to a residential use; but
16 if you maintain and continue to use it as a
17 preexisting nonconforming residential use, you can
18 do that.
19 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: I can leave it
20 the way it is. But what are they gonna do there?
21 I mean, I don't know, maybe they're gonna run right
22 over me. I don't know what they're gonna be doing.
23 That sounds kind of weird, you know, they're gonna
24 build -- well, I don't know what they're doing.
25 That's why I said you should have a plan as to what
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1 they intend to do. It just doesn't make sense.
2 MR. KERRICK: You're in a commercial
3 area now right around you. As long as you don't
4 change yourself, it's not gonna change. It stays
5 just the way it is.
6 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: I don't follow
7 you. They're changing it to commercial for a
8 reason; they're not just doing it for the heck of
9 it. They have intentions.
10 MR. KERRICK: That's correct.
11 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Can I ask, what
12 is residential? Is it strictly homes and
13 townhouses? There has to be a dividing point,
14 commercial is this and residential is this.
15 MR. ARMSTRONG: Well, right now it's
16 an R-2 District.
17 MS. PICKARD: Half acre?
18 MR. ARMSTRONG: But your current
19 property -- your house is in the commercial
20 district right now.
21 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: No. It's half
22 and half. It sounds crazy but it's half and half.
23 It shows right on the map that I have. I don't
24 know what map you have. It's half residential and
25 half commercial.
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1 MR. KERRICK: Here's his property.
2 It's split.
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: The permitted uses,
4 if you look at Section -- if you have a copy, which
5 you don't, a copy of the zoning ordinance, some of
6 the permitted uses within the RR District are:
7 Single family detached dwellings, municipal uses,
8 churches, cemeteries, hunting and fishing clubs,
9 farms, multifamily dwellings -- you know, and the
10 list goes on.
11 In the R-2 District are those uses
12 permitted within the RR District subject to some
13 other regulations primarily lot and yard
14 requirements meaning, probably larger or smaller
15 lots. So not just houses, but there are other uses
16 permitted within the R-2 District.
17 Was that your question?
18 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: No. Well, I
19 don't hear too good, first of all, that's why I
20 brought my son. The thing is, what is residential?
21 Is it townhouses? Is it homes? Dorm apartments?
22 What is residential?
23 MR. ARMSTRONG: I think your
24 question is, what are the uses --
25 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: What are you
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1 allowed to build on the residential property and
2 what are you allowed to build on the commercial
3 property?
4 MR. ARMSTRONG: I just went through
5 that.
6 MR. KERRICK: Do you want to come
7 up?
8 MR. DEAN COLELLO: We'll have to get
9 a copy of that.
10 MR. KERRICK: Well, why don't you
11 come forward so you can hear?
12 MR. ARMSTRONG: I can say some of
13 them again, if you'd like. Some of the permitted
14 uses within the RR District are single family
15 detached dwellings, municipal uses, churches or
16 similar places of worship, cemeteries, hunting and
17 fishing clubs and camps, farms, multifamily
18 dwellings -- I mean, there's a list of permitted
19 uses within the RR District.
20 And the R-2 District, which is the
21 district that is going to be rezoned or proposed to
22 be rezoned, allows those uses subject to some other
23 requirements in the R-2 District.
24 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Is all three of
25 those lots the same owner? The lots are divided
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1 into three different lots.
2 MS. PICKARD: Yes.
3 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: He owns all of
4 them?
5 MS. PICKARD: Mm-hmm.
6 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Does he intend
7 to build on all the commercial property?
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: We don't know what
9 he intends; we don't know what the intention is.
10 The purpose of this ordinance -- let's not get away
11 from what the purpose of this ordinance is, is the
12 township has -- you know, and the planning
13 commissions have looked over the property and have
14 decided that it's in the best interest of the
15 township at this point to rezone that small parcel
16 that's bordered some by commercial and some by R-2
17 to become commercial.
18 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: 'Cause he shows
19 well pumps in three different lots. There's no
20 sewers. I don't know, this looks like a pretty
21 tough deal that I know of. I don't know --
22 MR. ARMSTRONG: The property owner
23 did previously -- about six months to a year ago
24 came before the township for a subdivision, they
25 subdivided the property. And maybe some of those
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1 utilities were subject to the subdivision approval.
2 Not land development, subdivision approval, meaning
3 it was one large property and he subdivided it into
4 three parcels and they'd have to install test
5 wells.
6 MR. KERRICK: That's what he was
7 talking about.
8 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Then when he
9 decides to do what he's gonna do then we gotta be
10 notified again, in other words.
11 MR. ARMSTRONG: If there's going to
12 be a land development plan for any of this
13 property, it will come before the township again.
14 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: All right.
15 MR. KERRICK: The test wells were
16 put in for the 300 homes that were proposed last
17 year. That's off the board. You're okay with
18 that? You understand that? That's not proposed at
19 this time.
20 MR. DEAN COLELLO: Yeah, we
21 understand that.
22 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: Chuck Orlando.
23 I believe what this gentleman was concerned about,
24 though, was he owns a property which is part
25 residential, part commercial right now. If it's
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1 rezoned commercial, his entire property would be
2 commercial.
3 MR. ROBERT COLELLO: Right.
4 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: It would be in
5 the middle of this entire parcel, what is now
6 commercial and what is proposed to be commercial.
7 That means someone who wants to develop that land
8 as a commercial project, his house would be right
9 in the middle of all commercial and they'd be able
10 to build right around him. I think that's his main
11 concern.
12 MR. ARMSTRONG: Well, he was -- I
13 mean, if you look at it, he's currently almost
14 completely surrounded by commercial as it is.
15 And --
16 MR. CHARLES ORLANDO: Everything in
17 the back is residential.
18 MR. ARMSTRONG: But I think that is
19 an accurate depiction of what he was concerned
20 about.
21 So are there any other comments from
22 the public at this time?
23 Any other comments from the board?
24 MR. KERRICK: Not at this time.
25 MR. LAMBERTON: No.
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1 MR. ARMSTRONG: Now, this is a
2 public hearing. They're not going to vote until
3 their regular meeting which is going to occur
4 immediately after this. So for those of you who
5 are interested, I suggest that you stick around
6 for, you know, the public meeting, the board of
7 supervisors public meeting on this ordinance as
8 well.
9 MR. KERRICK: We have to take a few
10 minutes for the fourth grade to come in, so we're
11 going to recess for five minutes.
12 MR. ARMSTRONG: Just for the record,
13 we can close the public hearing on the two
14 ordinances that were considered today.
15 (Hearing concluded at 10:45 a.m.)
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