Before
THE TOBYHANNA TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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In Re: Regular Business Meeting
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Tobyhanna Township Government Center Building
State Avenue
Pocono Pines, Pennsylvania 18350
Monday, April 12, 2010, beginning at 7:06 p.m.
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PRESENT: JOHN E. KERRICK, Chairperson
HEIDI A. PICKARD, Vice-Chairperson
JAMIE B. KEENER, Board Member
DONALD J. MOYER, Board Member
PATRICK M. ARMSTRONG, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
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PANKO REPORTING
537 Sarah Street, 2nd Floor
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 18360
(570) 421-3620
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1 MR. KERRICK: I'd like to welcome
2 everyone here this evening for our regular business
3 meeting. Could we have a Pledge of Allegiance to
4 open the meeting, please?
5 (Pledge of Allegiance was recited.)
6 MR. KERRICK: First item on our
7 agenda, announcements.
8 MS. PICKARD: First, I'd like to
9 announce spring cleanup scheduled beginning Monday,
10 April 19, through Saturday, April 24, and that's at
11 our transfer station at Sullivan Trail, Monday
12 through Friday, eight to four; Saturday, eight to
13 three. Same prices as last year.
14 I want to announce that our meeting
15 next month is at T.E.C. That's going to be during
16 the day. I believe it's at 10:00 -- 10:30 or
17 10:00. I can check that before we go. So that
18 will be in the -- I think in the multipurpose room
19 at T.E.C. For government week we usually try to
20 have the kids here during April, but they have
21 their testing this year for the month of April
22 during those dates. So we're going to go over in
23 May and take it on the road.
24 I just have a note here about the
25 redesignation of the Upper Lehigh River to EV. It
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1 was the planning commission's recommendation that
2 we forward another letter to send to them. We have
3 to get comments in by April 16. We did send one
4 letter in, which was not acknowledged, so we're
5 preparing another letter, Bob McHale and myself.
6 MR. KERRICK: And that will be
7 mailed before so it will be received on time?
8 MS. PICKARD: Yes. That would be
9 the general idea, which would be before the end of
10 the week.
11 And I have a note here about the
12 Arrowhead special study. We have notes from Bob
13 McHale here. We have the notes from the planning
14 commission. And I was looking for
15 concurment (phonetic) to forward that to the
16 county, if everybody was in agreement. We have --
17 subject to Bob McHale's comments and John Brogan's
18 comments.
19 MR. KEENER: They're satisfied with
20 it at this point?
21 MS. PICKARD: Yes. Yeah. Basically
22 I think --
23 MR. KERRICK: There was a few
24 comments, but they wanted to get it onto the county
25 so they can make comments and --
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1 MS. PICKARD: Here for a hearing in
2 20 to 30 days. I think the PC's -- most of the
3 PC's comments were that they would agree with the
4 high bid. I think they shouldn't allow them to
5 hook on if there's a line running in front of the
6 property, but the consultant did it the way the DEP
7 required it to be done. So we do want to get that
8 going; we are anxious to get that taken care of.
9 And I think Coolbaugh's made their comments and Bob
10 had those as well.
11 And I had one other item. We wanted
12 to -- we did up a certificate of appreciation for
13 one of our DPW workers and I have that here for the
14 board to sign. We received a copy of a letter that
15 Lake Naomi Club had sent to Mrs. Delores Eberson
16 and it was in regards to a call from -- the EMS
17 could not get into the driveway of Mrs. Everson and
18 she wrote a letter to Lake Naomi. And Stephen
19 Smith, one of our DPW workers, helped get the
20 gurney out to the ambulance in the middle of a
21 snowstorm, so we would want to acknowledge that as
22 well.
23 And I just had one other thing I
24 wanted to mention. We were out at the park today
25 with Tunkhannock Township to look for placement of
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1 trees. We're going to get some trees from the
2 NASCAR Clean Air Tree Program. So Mr. --
3 Dr. Mattioli is providing 80 trees, but we're not
4 sure how many, whether it's just this one location,
5 but they did pick the Blakeslee Natural Area. So
6 we will be working with the conservation district
7 and Dr. Mattioli to see that those trees get placed
8 in the park. And I think that's it.
9 MR. KERRICK: Any minutes to
10 approve?
11 MS. PICKARD: No. We just got them.
12 MR. KERRICK: Next item. Consider
13 the treasurer's report. Total amount for board
14 approval this evening, $600,633.24.
15 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion that
16 we approve the bill pack dated April 9 -- April 12
17 in the amount of $600,633.24.
18 MR. KEENER: Second.
19 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
20 Questions or comments from the
21 board?
22 MS. PICKARD: I'd just like to
23 mention that that includes our second quarter lease
24 payment.
25 MR. KERRICK: Questions or comments
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1 from the public? If anyone wants to review the
2 invoices, they're on the corner of the desk.
3 Call the vote.
4 Jamie?
5 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
6 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
7 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
9 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
10 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
11 Motion carried.
12 Next item, solicitor's report.
13 MR. ARMSTRONG: There's three items
14 under my report this evening. The first, I would
15 remind the board -- and I wanted to announce to the
16 public that the board did have a brief executive
17 session on a real estate matter before the meeting.
18 Now, as for the items under my
19 report, the first is the Lost Trails, LLC
20 conditional use hearing. You had the hearing at
21 the end of 2009. We've received an extension of
22 time for the actual written adjudication for that
23 conditional use from the applicant. I think we're
24 still waiting. I don't think the township has
25 received any additional information from the
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1 applicant with respect to the PennDOT submittal.
2 It's my understanding that the board
3 still wants to hold off at least until the May
4 meeting to make that written adjudication final.
5 MR. KEENER: Yeah. I mean, in the
6 meantime that may be for naught since the newspaper
7 reported that they're going to be kicked out.
8 MR. MOYER: Yeah, that might be
9 moot.
10 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, and I did
11 mention that to the applicant and it was actually
12 news to him, so I haven't heard back from him since
13 late last week.
14 The next thing under my report is
15 the consideration of the advertising for a large
16 gathering ordinance. The zoning officer, Phyllis
17 Haase, put together an ordinance to address large
18 gatherings within the township. Some of the
19 concerns have been with respect to the possible
20 carnivals or other similar types of gatherings
21 within the township.
22 The zoning officer took a form
23 ordinance off the PSATS Web site, so for the most
24 part it's fairly appropriate. I made some
25 revisions this morning and forwarded it back to the
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1 zoning officer. It provides for the requirement
2 for a permit, the limitation as to the extent of
3 time; other specific requirements with respect to
4 parking and sewage facilities, security, personnel;
5 as well as an applicant providing the requisite
6 insurance and bonds, depending upon the type of
7 gathering being proposed. It covers large
8 gatherings from 200 attending on up.
9 I don't know if the board has had a
10 chance to take a look at what the zoning officer
11 put together last week, or if there's any comments
12 at this time.
13 MS. PICKARD: This is a standalone
14 ordinance, it's not part of the zoning ordinance?
15 MR. ARMSTRONG: This will be a
16 standalone ordinance. It's not part of zoning,
17 it's not part of the SALDO ordinance.
18 MS. PICKARD: So we could have this
19 advertised and put on our May agenda?
20 MR. ARMSTRONG: Absolutely.
21 MS. PICKARD: Do we need a motion?
22 MR. ARMSTRONG: To authorize this
23 for advertising, yes.
24 MS. PICKARD: I'd like to make a
25 motion to --
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1 MR. KERRICK: Can we do any minor
2 alterations before it's out to advertise? I
3 haven't reviewed the final draft. No?
4 MR. ARMSTRONG: Before we send it
5 out to advertise?
6 MR. KERRICK: Yeah.
7 MR. ARMSTRONG: Absolutely. If the
8 board wants to take a closer look before it goes
9 out to advertise, absolutely; but once it goes out
10 to advertise, the ability to change it, you know,
11 is somewhat limited depending on the change. So
12 what -- I mean --
13 MR. KEENER: I just have a couple of
14 scenarios I'd like to throw out. Say we had a
15 church picnic here at the park, they'd have to
16 apply for a permit if they have over 200 people, or
17 if the legion had an event that's going to be over
18 200 people at their facility?
19 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yep. Yeah, if the
20 anticipated amount is 200 or plus, this ordinance
21 would kick in. Now, you know, it requires them to
22 submit for a permit and to make sure that certain,
23 you know, elements are covered; traffic, parking,
24 sewage, security, trash removal.
25 MR. KERRICK: Who's going do police
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1 that?
2 MS. PICKARD: The zoning officer.
3 MR. ARMSTRONG: My guess would be
4 the zoning officer.
5 MS. PICKARD: Plus there's things
6 that are on the lower end of the scale of 200,
7 they're not really going to have any major
8 requirement. It's mostly for the larger gatherings
9 and we have the carnivals and biker rallies.
10 MR. KERRICK: Why don't they raise
11 the number up?
12 MS. PICKARD: Basically all of the
13 ones that we saw had things. And if we have
14 something over 200 people that's going to be out in
15 the field or a biker rally, it's still going to
16 have the requirement. If it's at the park or any
17 of these facilities, there's already adequate
18 parking.
19 MR. KERRICK: But they'll still have
20 to go through the -- we could be different, we
21 don't have to follow what everybody else has.
22 MS. PICKARD: Well, we can, you
23 know, change the amount of people. I don't know
24 what you're going to change it to, you know.
25 MR. KERRICK: Well, I would imagine
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1 if the legion -- just using that as an example --
2 MR. KEENER: What's the capacity of
3 the building at the legion?
4 MS. PICKARD: I'm not sure what they
5 are, and I have to look at that. We can't really
6 take occupants too many more than 200 at one time
7 at the building.
8 MR. KEENER: Well, that's what I'm
9 saying. For specific instances like that, I
10 wouldn't want them to have to get a permit every
11 time they have an event.
12 MR. KERRICK: No, me neither.
13 MR. KEENER: I mean, if it's 200 --
14 the capacity is 200, then they, you know, wouldn't
15 be able to exceed that, then they wouldn't ever
16 need a permit. But if it's 300, then they'd have
17 to get a permit every time they did an event.
18 I don't know. I'm just --
19 MR. KERRICK: That's a good point.
20 MS. PICKARD: We have two scenarios
21 right now that we have issues with, that are coming
22 forward and --
23 MR. KEENER: But they're going to be
24 potentially thousands of people.
25 MS. PICKARD: Yes.
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1 MR. KEENER: That's why I'm
2 saying --
3 MS. PICKARD: Well, I don't know
4 what the number is on some of them. Some of them
5 we could predict.
6 MR. KERRICK: How are we going to
7 count the people?
8 MR. KEENER: I mean, you could have
9 a soccer tournament that has more than 200 people.
10 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. The way the
11 200 amount is written is that the township -- I
12 mean, it's a reasonable amount of anticipated
13 patrons and that number is to be determined by the
14 township whenever they get a permit.
15 MR. MOYER: So much to change with
16 that too. I mean, you get weather and all of a
17 sudden then half the people don't show up --
18 MS. PICKARD: You still have to
19 anticipate that they're gonna show up rather than
20 showing up at your neighbor's house and they don't
21 have a --
22 MR. KEENER: What about a baseball
23 tournament? We have 20 teams plus parents, we're
24 gonna have more than 200 people. You gotta get a
25 permit. You have a soccer tournament.
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1 MS. PICKARD: I don't know. Last
2 year we wanted to have a concert up at one of our
3 local restaurants at the field.
4 MR. KERRICK: What about the school?
5 What about the gatherings at the school?
6 MR. KEENER: Entertainment.
7 MS. PICKARD: I can't answer that.
8 I'd have to talk to Phyllis, but this is going
9 through all the ones that control center had given
10 Phyllis, four or five ordinances, and this is
11 basically from PSATS.
12 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, when I looked
13 at it this morning --
14 MS. PICKARD: It was Monroe County
15 Control Center that provided Phyllis with all the
16 other local ARD ordinances.
17 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, it looked like
18 the majority of these provisions for the most part
19 came from the PSATS Web site.
20 MR. MOYER: 200 is their number?
21 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah.
22 MS. PICKARD: Mm-hmm.
23 MR. ARMSTRONG: Now, you can
24 increase the number. You can provide for, you
25 know, certain exceptions or certain activities that
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1 you wanted to classify as not falling under the
2 definition of a large gathering, if you wanted to
3 approach it that way, you know --
4 MR. KERRICK: To me there's two
5 different scenarios. If you have something in the
6 school -- for instance, Pocono Mountain West could
7 handle 300 people. But if you have it in the
8 middle of the field --
9 MS. PICKARD: Well, and this is just
10 basically they come in with a plan, so it's not
11 gonna be a big deal -- basically we weren't looking
12 at the school or a --
13 MR. KERRICK: I understand.
14 MS. PICKARD: What we were talking
15 about were the carnivals that have come up, bazaars
16 that have come up, the concerts that have come up,
17 the rallies that have come up.
18 MR. KERRICK: I understand.
19 MS. PICKARD: Yeah. So, you know,
20 we're trying to take care of --
21 MR. ARMSTRONG: One thing to keep in
22 mind is the PSATS version was for public
23 gatherings. I believe Phyllis changed it just a
24 little bit to just address large gatherings. She
25 took out the public reference to the proposed use.
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1 That may impact the legion example given by Jamie.
2 I don't know if it would necessarily impact the
3 school.
4 MS. PICKARD: Well, we had a
5 question about the private and that was one of the
6 things we talked about, private versus public and
7 what was considered private versus public.
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: Okay. We'd have to
9 define it.
10 MR. KEENER: Well, we have sponsor
11 defined as any natural person, association,
12 partnership, firm, corporation, joint venture, or
13 any other legal entity whatsoever who initiates,
14 organizes, promotes, permits, conducts or cause to
15 be advertised a large gathering.
16 MR. KERRICK: Pretty much covered
17 everything there, Jamie.
18 MR. KEENER: Except illegal
19 entities.
20 MS. PICKARD: But they're natural
21 persons, aren't they?
22 MR. KEENER: Not necessarily. I
23 prefer to look at it a little further before we
24 advertise it.
25 MR. KERRICK: I don't -- personally
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1 if we can get our comments together and not have to
2 wait until May, as long as we're all satisfied --
3 MS. PICKARD: We can handle
4 something Wednesday.
5 MR. KEENER: Can we?
6 MS. PICKARD: Well, I don't know.
7 Let's see if we can.
8 MR. KEENER: How did you advertise
9 the meeting?
10 MR. ARMSTRONG: Did you -- I didn't
11 see the advertisement.
12 MS. PICKARD: It was supposed to be
13 for the 5:30 and any other business that came up.
14 MR. ARMSTRONG: Well, any other
15 business covers it.
16 MR. KEENER: All right.
17 MS. PICKARD: So then it dies.
18 MR. KERRICK: It didn't die, it's
19 tabled. There's a difference.
20 MR. ARMSTRONG: So then the last
21 thing under my report is the Lake Naomi pedestrian
22 bridge and walkway. We discussed this a little bit
23 at the work session. I believe Wendy Freeman is
24 here from Lake Naomi. I think we're still waiting
25 for the inspection company contract from PennDOT,
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1 right?
2 MS. WENDY FREEMAN: The proposal
3 arrived today and was e-mailed to PennDOT so
4 hopefully she can review that in the next couple of
5 days. I did send you an e-mail to see if you
6 wanted a copy of it prior to her review, but you
7 must have been off for the day.
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: So -- go ahead.
9 MR. KERRICK: I was going to say, I
10 hope we can walk the trail before we all retire.
11 What has it been now, seven years?
12 MR. ARMSTRONG: Well, what the board
13 can do is, you know, it was a project proposed and
14 bid out. You received bids, you have a successful
15 bidder. If you wanted to this evening authorize
16 the execution -- the chairman to execute the
17 contracts once they're finalized and ready for
18 execution, you know, you can do that. Or if you --
19 you know, if it's the will of the board, how you
20 want to proceed. I think you're all aware of the
21 issues involved with this particular matter so --
22 MS. PICKARD: What's the status of
23 the grant agreement?
24 MR. ARMSTRONG: The grant agreement,
25 I still haven't received an addendum. I thought I
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1 was going to receive it middle to late last week.
2 I haven't received it yet. I called the individual
3 up at McCormick Taylor this afternoon, but she was
4 out of the office. So I'm anticipating receiving
5 that soon; I just haven't gotten it yet.
6 MR. MOYER: But the grant is still
7 in place and it may be more money, right?
8 MR. ARMSTRONG: The grant --
9 everything I've been told, the grant is still in
10 place. The original grant application agreement is
11 dated 2003.
12 MS. PICKARD: That expired in '08?
13 MR. ARMSTRONG: '08. But everything
14 I've been told and received via correspondence,
15 PennDOT wouldn't allow the bid to go out if it
16 wasn't there. But, you know, there is an addendum
17 to that application agreement that's being prepared
18 and we should be seeing it shortly. That includes,
19 like you said, some additional funds for the
20 project. I just haven't seen the document yet.
21 Once this board sees it, approves it, and signs it,
22 it can then get sent to PennDOT for their
23 signatures as well.
24 MR. KEENER: So we, as the sponsor
25 of the project, are responsible to award the
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1 contract? Do we have -- we have the agreement in
2 place between Lake Naomi and Tobyhanna Township,
3 correct, that's already been executed?
4 MR. ARMSTRONG: We have the grant
5 application between the township and Lake Naomi,
6 that's been executed. There's going to be an
7 addendum to that agreement for the upcoming
8 inspection company contract with the township
9 because we want a concurrent agreement with Lake
10 Naomi to cover that contract as well.
11 MR. KEENER: So that's the two
12 things that we need to approve, the awarding of the
13 contract and the addendum to grant the agreement.
14 MR. ARMSTRONG: You need to execute
15 the bid contract with the successful bidder, Harry
16 DePue. You need to approve an inspection company
17 contract for a company to be out at the site
18 inspecting the property and the work being done,
19 which to my knowledge is Keystone. You need to
20 then receive -- you're going to approve the
21 addendum to the grant agreement with PennDOT and
22 then there's that final addendum with Lake Naomi.
23 MS. PICKARD: We also have the
24 extension of the contract.
25 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah, that won't
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1 be -- that won't be a contract. It will be, you
2 know, the town -- you will vote whether or not to
3 agree to extend the time period and then that will
4 be forwarded off to PennDOT, to concur with that or
5 not, once the contract's executed and, you know,
6 valid and enforced.
7 MR. KERRICK: Do we need to take any
8 action this evening?
9 MR. KEENER: We anticipate, what,
10 this week we'll have the inspection company
11 approve -- the proposal approved?
12 MS. WENDY FREEMAN: Whenever PennDOT
13 is able to get to it, that's when we get it. I
14 hate to put a time on them 'cause I'm not -- they
15 do understand that it's imperative that we get this
16 moving so I believe that yes, we will have it this
17 week.
18 MR. KEENER: Since it's imperative,
19 I make a motion that we authorize the chairman of
20 the board to execute the contract and the agreement
21 addendum upon receipt of and review of the
22 contracts by our solicitor and our engineer
23 satisfactory.
24 MR. ARMSTRONG: Concurrent.
25 MR. KEENER: Yes.
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1 MR. KERRICK: We have a motion. Do
2 we have a second?
3 MR. MOYER: I'll second.
4 MS. PICKARD: That was for the
5 contract with DePue and the amendment to the grant
6 agreement with PennDOT?
7 MR. KEENER: Yes. For the
8 inspection company.
9 MR. ARMSTRONG: Make sure you
10 include them all. You can just say all the
11 related --
12 MR. KEENER: And any necessary, yes.
13 MR. KERRICK: Any questions or
14 comments from the board?
15 Questions or comments from the
16 public?
17 Call the vote.
18 Jamie?
19 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
20 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
21 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
22 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
23 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
24 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
25 Motion carried.
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1 Do you have anything else.
2 MR. ARMSTRONG: That's all I have
3 for this evening, guys.
4 MR. KERRICK: Next item of business,
5 consider lawn maintenance proposals. In front of
6 you under Section A, which we discussed at our work
7 session, M&D Lawn Care was the low bidder. I'll
8 entertain a motion to award the bid to them, M&D.
9 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion that
10 we award the lawn care bid to M&D Lawn Care
11 including the government center complex.
12 MR. KERRICK: Motion. Do we have a
13 second?
14 MR. KEENER: Second.
15 MR. KERRICK: Questions or comments
16 from the board?
17 Questions or comments from the
18 public on the motion?
19 MR. KEENER: I just want to announce
20 the total for that, $265 plus 200 for the
21 government center.
22 MS. PICKARD: Per cut.
23 MR. KERRICK: Any questions from the
24 public on the motion?
25 Call the vote.
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1 Jamie?
2 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
3 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
4 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
5 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
6 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
7 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
8 Motion carried.
9 Next item, PennDOT maintenance
10 services agreement. Resolution No. 2010-010,
11 sweeping. That would be B in your packet.
12 MR. KEENER: That's going to allow
13 us the reimbursement for the work that we did on
14 the PennDOT roads, correct?
15 MR. KERRICK: Correct.
16 MR. KEENER: I make a motion we
17 approve Resolution 2010-010 for sweeping, PennDOT
18 maintenance road agreement.
19 MS. PICKARD: In the amount of
20 $5,000.
21 MR. KEENER: In the amount of
22 $5,000.
23 MS. PICKARD: I'll second that.
24 MR. KERRICK: And you seconded that?
25 MS. PICKARD: Mm-hmm.
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1 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
2 Questions or comments from the board?
3 Questions or comments from the
4 public on the motion?
5 Call the vote.
6 Jamie?
7 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
9 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
10 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
11 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
12 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
13 Motion carried.
14 Next item, PennDOT maintenance
15 services agreement. Resolution No. 2010-011,
16 mowing. I believe that's self-explanatory. We mow
17 the shoulders for them.
18 MR. KEENER: I make a motion we
19 approve Resolution 2010-011, mowing PennDOT
20 maintenance services agreement in the amount of
21 $3,000.
22 MS. PICKARD: I second the motion.
23 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second on
24 the floor. Any questions or comments from the
25 board?
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1 Questions or comments from the
2 public?
3 Call the vote.
4 Jamie?
5 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
6 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
7 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
9 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
10 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
11 Next item, Resolution No. 2010-012,
12 price adjustment for bituminous materials for small
13 quantities. This is the escalator clause.
14 MS. PICKARD: I make a motion that
15 we approve Resolution No. 2010-012.
16 MR. KERRICK: Do we have a second?
17 MR. MOYER: Second.
18 MR. KERRICK: Questions or comments
19 from the board?
20 Questions or comments from the
21 public?
22 Call the vote.
23 Jamie?
24 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
25 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
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1 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
2 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
3 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
4 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
5 Motion carried.
6 Next item, consider material bids
7 for the current year. We discussed this at our
8 work session. I believe the lowest was Linde
9 Construction, but due to the F.O.B. in Honesdale, I
10 think the closest would be Tarheel. And then of
11 course your asphalt, the only bid we got in was
12 Locust Ridge. I'll entertain a motion.
13 MR. MOYER: So moved.
14 MR. KERRICK: Do we have a second?
15 MS. PICKARD: I'll second the
16 motion.
17 MR. KEENER: That was to approve
18 Tarheel for --
19 MR. KERRICK: Tarheel for stone and
20 Locust Ridge for asphalt.
21 Any other comments? Questions?
22 Questions from the public on the
23 motion?
24 Call the vote.
25 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
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1 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
2 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
3 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
4 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
5 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
6 Motion carried.
7 Next item, pool fees. Do we want to
8 get a report from the committee? Maybe they -- do
9 you want to go first with what you came up with?
10 MS. PICKARD: I have a list of fees
11 that I have included in the packet. I can run
12 through them. Seasonal family membership is at
13 $100. Seasonal individuals, 13 to 65; $60.
14 Seasonal individual under 12 is $40. Seasonal
15 seniors, $45. This is for Tobyhanna Township
16 residents. Also, daily rates for Tobyhanna
17 Township, 12 and under, would be $3; 13 to 17, $4;
18 adults, $5; seniors, $3. Daily members will pay $5
19 for each photo I.D. up to a maximum of $25 per
20 family.
21 Tunkhannock Township rates would be
22 $200 for a seasonal family membership. Seasonal
23 individual, 13 to 65, $85. Seasonal individual
24 under 12, 50. Seasonal senior, 60. Daily rates
25 for Tunkhannock would be, 12 and under, $4; 13 to
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2 also pay the $5 per photo I.D. for a maximum of 25
3 per family for the daily rates. There is still a
4 $5 photo fee for residents after the registration
5 deadline and that would also be a max number of $25
6 per family.
7 The swimming lessons will be $90 for
8 Tobyhanna Township residents and $100 for
9 Tunkhannock residents. And that is my motion.
10 MR. KERRICK: Motion?
11 MS. PICKARD: Yeah.
12 MR. KEENER: Are we opening the
13 pool?
14 MR. KERRICK: I guess that's Heidi's
15 motion.
16 MR. KEENER: I'll second it to bring
17 it to discussion.
18 MALE VOICE: Is that today's rates
19 or is that last year's rates, the ones you just
20 read?
21 MS. PICKARD: Those will be this
22 year's rates. We don't need to read last year's
23 rates.
24 MALE VOICE: I was just wondering if
25 you did -- okay. No, it's not much of an increase.
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2 week.
3 MR. KERRICK: Well, we had just as
4 many people who came in after the meeting and said
5 they didn't want to see an increase.
6 MALE VOICE: After the meeting they
7 had no right to be here.
8 MR. KERRICK: They can stop anytime
9 they want.
10 Anybody else have any comments?
11 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: Why do we have
12 the badges? Why do we need the photo I.D. cards?
13 Why can't we go back to saving some money and just
14 doing the little clips that we had, that just
15 clipped on and you had a number? Because I can
16 tell you, you go to that pool, you show your I.D.,
17 they get to know you, you never bring out that I.D.
18 again. So what's the value of having your picture
19 on it?
20 MS. PICKARD: Everyone is supposed
21 to have their I.D. with them whether --
22 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: Oh, yeah, I take
23 it, but they don't ask you for it.
24 MS. PICKARD: And we've had a lot of
25 people that come in from out of the area and it's
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2 badge checkers and lifeguards worrying about
3 whether or not they're residents or not.
4 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: I understand
5 that, but still nobody -- you still sign the paper
6 whether you have it clipped on your bag or clipped
7 on your suit, but when you go there after they --
8 one or two times they get to know you, you sign the
9 sheet, you never show your card again 'cause they
10 don't ask you for it. So I'm just looking, that's
11 another cost savings you could do and not printing
12 an I.D. badge.
13 MS. PICKARD: In comparison to the
14 $60,000 it costs to the operate the pool, it's
15 insignificant.
16 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: Well, just
17 another savings.
18 MR. KERRICK: Any other comments?
19 MR. CARL SELIG: Yes. Maybe there's
20 money last year to pay for the maintenance?
21 MR. KERRICK: Not quite.
22 MR. CARL SELIG: Well, then I think
23 you ought to shut it down.
24 MR. KERRICK: Well, there was a lot
25 of people here at our work session that didn't feel
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2 MR. CARL SELIG: Yeah, but we're
3 paying for something and it ain't making money on.
4 And if there's no maintenance made on it, if we
5 have to pay money on it all the time, well, then --
6 MR. KERRICK: I appreciate your
7 comment. I don't think that we're here -- the
8 government's here to make money, we'd like to cover
9 the costs.
10 MR. CARL SELIG: No, what I mean
11 is (inaudible). If you're paying money out and it
12 ain't coming in, I don't think it should be open.
13 MR. KERRICK: Well, we have a group
14 of people that are willing to see if they can do
15 some fund-raising for us and I believe that -- I
16 don't know how the board feels, but we were gonna
17 try this year and we do have the money in the
18 budget to open it.
19 MR. CARL SELIG: I know last year
20 they had a hard time to get it open.
21 MR. KERRICK: Anybody else have any
22 comments?
23 MR. KEENER: We did take names and
24 e-mails and phone numbers of individuals that were
25 here at the work session and we're gonna send out
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2 to, you know, find people that will help. Get out
3 to the schools, get out to the various areas and
4 try to increase the revenues to help offset the
5 cost for the pool.
6 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: I'd be glad -- I
7 mean, I signed up to that list. I'd be glad to --
8 if you're telling me tonight we're opening, I would
9 be glad to make up a flyer and get that out to the
10 schools before they close, to T.E.C.
11 MR. KERRICK: Can we count on you
12 for community day as well?
13 MS. PICKARD: Yeah, we need help for
14 community day.
15 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: Hey, I've been
16 here. If I recall, you cancelled community day
17 last year.
18 MR. KERRICK: Well, we had some
19 people that came forward and wanted to do community
20 day with no township dollars, so we're looking for
21 volunteers.
22 MS. LISA ERLSTEN: I've been here
23 every time you've done community day. Our church
24 has been here and I have been here so --
25 MR. KERRICK: Perfect.
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2 your motion for the rates, that we will open, and
3 that's the rates, and your second?
4 Any discussions? Questions or
5 comments from the public?
6 FEMALE VOICE: Can I just hear the
7 rates again? It was very low. I don't care, but
8 I'd just like --
9 MR. KEENER: They didn't get a copy
10 of it?
11 MR. KERRICK: Do you want a copy of
12 these?
13 MS. PICKARD: Well, I have this. I
14 don't know -- that's not rates. I don't know if
15 you have that. I was going to e-mail it to
16 everybody on the list.
17 MR. KEENER: There you go. Pass it
18 around.
19 MR. KERRICK: Questions or comments
20 from the public? Any others?
21 FEMALE VOICE: If you have a raffle,
22 to raffle something off.
23 MR. KERRICK: Whatever you'd like to
24 do. The committee will see how you turn out this
25 year.
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2 Jamie?
3 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
4 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
5 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
6 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
7 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
8 MR. KERRICK: I vote in favor.
9 Motion carried. Thank you.
10 MR. KEENER: We saved some lifeguard
11 jobs.
12 MR. KERRICK: Stimulus.
13 MR. KEENER: Yep.
14 MR. KERRICK: Letter of support,
15 Mount Pocono Borough for Knob property purchase.
16 They just want to --
17 MR. KEENER: Why do we have to
18 support that?
19 MS. PICKARD: They requested a
20 letter of support for their DCNR grant --
21 MR. KERRICK: We've done that in the
22 past and we've asked for other communities to
23 support us when we do the open space.
24 MS. PICKARD: I'll make a motion
25 that we send a letter of support for Mount Pocono
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2 MR. KERRICK: Do I have a second?
3 MR. MOYER: I second the motion.
4 MR. KERRICK: Motion and second.
5 Questions or comments from the
6 public on the motion?
7 Call the vote.
8 Jamie?
9 MR. KEENER: I vote in favor.
10 MR. KERRICK: Donny?
11 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.
12 MR. KERRICK: Heidi?
13 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.
14 MR. KERRICK: I'll vote in favor.
15 Motion carried.
16 Do you have anything else?
17 Anybody have anything else for the
18 board?
19 MR. KEENER: You realize -- I'll
20 tell you later.
21 MR. KERRICK: Yeah, I realize a lot
22 of things, but I won't say it.
23 Anybody have anything else?
24 Anybody from the public wish to
25 address the board? We are adjourned. Thank you.
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